OMG I`m loving SGU

[bullethead]

Greer has a chip on his shoulder, but he's a soldier with what seems to be unwavering loyalty to the uniform. Granted, that's the kind of single-mindedness that leads soldiers to commit war crimes, but it's far from unrealistic. If the viewer "questions that", they're not familiar with the way the military operates. Just because everyone on BSG was drunk and ready to punch out their immediate superior doesn't mean that's "realistic". There are plenty of people questioning Young's orders, it would be silly to think he wouldn't have supporters. In fact, if he didn't, it would be unrealistic to think he'd still even be in command.

Thing is, Greer doesn't seem to be the kind of guy who blindly obeys anyone with a higher rank. Otherwise, he wouldn't have beaten Telford up. He seems genuinely devoted and loyal to Young beyond the extent that a sergeant is supposed to be devoted to a colonel.

They already established that a significant amount of the military personnel distrusted Young in episode 4,

Pretty much all the military personnel are fanatically loyal to Young. The only exceptions are Sgt. Spencer, who was mentally unstable, and Lt. Scott who didn't start questioning Young until Young put Telford throught the Rite of M'al Sharran.

That's part of the writers' fiat I was talking about. They completely ignore this one scene in favor of "all the military guys except Sgt. Nutbar love Col. Young" so that Young remains in the right while Rush is almost always in the wrong (even though he's probably the most logical and clear headed guy on the ship- I guess using logic makes you bad on SGU).

 

[The Wormhole]

Young remains in the right while Rush is almost always in the wrong (even though he's probably the most logical and clear headed guy on the ship- I guess using logic makes you bad on SGU).

Which is actually my problem with the show always trying to villify Rush. He really does seem to be working towards everyone's best interests and yet the show wants us to think he has a hidden agenda.

The most obvious example was after Destiny flew through the sun, the idea is put forward that Rush might have known all along how this would turn out. And the evidence to back it up? He wanted to be removed from the lottery.

Removing himself from the lottery is perfectly consistent with how the character had been depicted up until then. A depressed loner who has lost hope in life. There was no need to bring this idea to the table, as it feels like a tacked on at the last minute idea to make things seem more interesting.

The "does he have a hidden agenda?" angle of Rush is something I wish they would drop. It adds nothing, Rush is already rude, has questionable morals and any number of personality disorders. These right here are anough to make an interesting character for the audience to watch and a pain in the ass for the other characters.

 

[DWF]

Young remains in the right while Rush is almost always in the wrong (even though he's probably the most logical and clear headed guy on the ship- I guess using logic makes you bad on SGU).

Which is actually my problem with the show always trying to villify Rush. He really does seem to be working towards everyone's best interests and yet the show wants us to think he has a hidden agenda.

The most obvious example was after Destiny flew through the sun, the idea is put forward that Rush might have known all along how this would turn out. And the evidence to back it up? He wanted to be removed from the lottery.

Removing himself from the lottery is perfectly consistent with how the character had been depicted up until then. A depressed loner who has lost hope in life. There was no need to bring this idea to the table, as it feels like a tacked on at the last minute idea to make things seem more interesting.

The "does he have a hidden agenda?" angle of Rush is something I wish they would drop. It adds nothing, Rush is already rude, has questionable morals and any number of personality disorders. These right here are anough to make an interesting character for the audience to watch and a pain in the ass for the other characters.

If Rush were truely working for everybody's best interests he woud've allowed Eli to dail earth in the pilot instead of the unknowns that they would find on Destiny. He also lied about the Icarus type planet in the database and he framed Young for murder.

 

[bullethead]

Young remains in the right while Rush is almost always in the wrong (even though he's probably the most logical and clear headed guy on the ship- I guess using logic makes you bad on SGU).

Which is actually my problem with the show always trying to villify Rush. He really does seem to be working towards everyone's best interests and yet the show wants us to think he has a hidden agenda.

The most obvious example was after Destiny flew through the sun, the idea is put forward that Rush might have known all along how this would turn out. And the evidence to back it up? He wanted to be removed from the lottery.

Removing himself from the lottery is perfectly consistent with how the character had been depicted up until then. A depressed loner who has lost hope in life. There was no need to bring this idea to the table, as it feels like a tacked on at the last minute idea to make things seem more interesting.

The "does he have a hidden agenda?" angle of Rush is something I wish they would drop. It adds nothing, Rush is already rude, has questionable morals and any number of personality disorders. These right here are anough to make an interesting character for the audience to watch and a pain in the ass for the other characters.

If Rush were truely working for everybody's best interests he woud've allowed Eli to dail earth in the pilot instead of the unknowns that they would find on Destiny. He also lied about the Icarus type planet in the database and he framed Young for murder.

I could give a technobabble explanation for why dialing the 9th chevron was the right thing to do, but instead I'm just going to tell to watch the SG-1 episode "Solitude" (the one where they discover the Antarctic gate) and let you figure it out for yourself.

As for the other stuff, that was necessary because Col. Young couldn't get it through his thick skull that they have to use the chair. The chances of Rush or any of them figuring out the code within their lifetimes was practically zero and they need that code in order to have full access to the ship's systems and databases so they can fix the ship properly to get themselves back home. Hell, the only reason Rush is even able to find the ship's bridge is because he used the goddamn chair to find a clue as to what the code was.

 

[DWF]

Which is actually my problem with the show always trying to villify Rush. He really does seem to be working towards everyone's best interests and yet the show wants us to think he has a hidden agenda.

The most obvious example was after Destiny flew through the sun, the idea is put forward that Rush might have known all along how this would turn out. And the evidence to back it up? He wanted to be removed from the lottery.

Removing himself from the lottery is perfectly consistent with how the character had been depicted up until then. A depressed loner who has lost hope in life. There was no need to bring this idea to the table, as it feels like a tacked on at the last minute idea to make things seem more interesting.

The "does he have a hidden agenda?" angle of Rush is something I wish they would drop. It adds nothing, Rush is already rude, has questionable morals and any number of personality disorders. These right here are anough to make an interesting character for the audience to watch and a pain in the ass for the other characters.

If Rush were truely working for everybody's best interests he woud've allowed Eli to dail earth in the pilot instead of the unknowns that they would find on Destiny. He also lied about the Icarus type planet in the database and he framed Young for murder.

I could give a technobabble explanation for why dialing the 9th chevron was the right thing to do, but instead I'm just going to tell to watch the SG-1 episode "Solitude" (the one where they discover the Antarctic gate) and let you figure it out for yourself.

As for the other stuff, that was necessary because Col. Young couldn't get it through his thick skull that they have to use the chair. The chances of Rush or any of them figuring out the code within their lifetimes was practically zero and they need that code in order to have full access to the ship's systems and databases so they can fix the ship properly to get themselves back home. Hell, the only reason Rush is even able to find the ship's bridge is because he used the goddamn chair to find a clue as to what the code was.

Young was perfectly willing to allow Rush ot sit in the chair but Ruch backed out on his own. And as for the Altantis gate being on earth, in the extended version of Air, O'Neill got on Rush's back for not abeyingh orders and dialing to earth and in any event whether they used the Giza gate or the Atlantis they still would've ended up on earth.

 

[bullethead]

Young was perfectly willing to allow Rush ot sit in the chair but Ruch backed out on his own. And as for the Altantis gate being on earth, in the extended version of Air, O'Neill got on Rush's back for not abeyingh orders and dialing to earth and in any event whether they used the Giza gate or the Atlantis they still would've ended up on earth.

You don't risk the single most experienced scientist on your crew for something like that. If you lose Rush, you are stuck with Eli, Brody, and Volker, who are no where near as good as Rush in terms of science and experience with the Destiny's systems since they apparently don't work to understand the systems and prefer to do other stuff. Besides, the whole moral dilemma thing could've been avoided had they asked for a volunteer.

And the Solitudes thing didn't have to do with the gate switching, it was that the gate tosses people out with enough force to concuss them and that was when staff weapons were overloading the gate. Just imagine what would've happened had they gone through to Earth when all the power of the planet's core was being channeled into the gate.

 

[DWF]

Young was perfectly willing to allow Rush ot sit in the chair but Ruch backed out on his own. And as for the Altantis gate being on earth, in the extended version of Air, O'Neill got on Rush's back for not abeyingh orders and dialing to earth and in any event whether they used the Giza gate or the Atlantis they still would've ended up on earth.

You don't risk the single most experienced scientist on your crew for something like that. If you lose Rush, you are stuck with Eli, Brody, and Volker, who are no where near as good as Rush in terms of science and experience with the Destiny's systems since they apparently don't work to understand the systems and prefer to do other stuff. Besides, the whole moral dilemma thing could've been avoided had they asked for a volunteer.

And the Solitudes thing didn't have to do with the gate switching, it was that the gate tosses people out with enough force to concuss them and that was when staff weapons were overloading the gate. Just imagine what would've happened had they gone through to Earth when all the power of the planet's core was being channeled into the gate.

So OK, you're refering to this line from Rush.

RUSH: The attack started a chain reaction in the planet's core. There's no way of stopping that, and any blast could easily translate through an open wormhole. It's too dangerous to dial Earth.

Couldn't any such blast also follow them to Destiny as well? If Rush really believed what he said then why Destiny instead of some other planet. If that were true the blast would've followed them wherever they gated to.

 

[PsychoPere]

Rush risking the lives of the Icarus evacuees was still better than the alternative of putting Earth in danger. Of course, one does have to wonder why, knowing the instability of the planet and the potential for a shockwave to follow through the gate, protocol would've called for dialing Earth in the first place for evacuation instead of the Beta Site.

 

[DWF]

Rush risking the lives of the Icarus evacuees was still better than the alternative of putting Earth in danger. Of course, one does have to wonder why, knowing the instability of the planet and the potential for a shockwave to follow through the gate, protocol would've called for dialing Earth in the first place for evacuation instead of the Beta Site.

Does it matter where you gate to if a shockwave is going to follow you no matter where you go?

 

[PsychoPere]

Not for the people evacuating, no, of course not. I was looking at it from a slightly different perspective, though, so I apologize that I didn't make that clear. Basically, would you rather risk the lives of the evacuees (by going to an unknown address), risk the lives of the evacuees and an evacuation point (i.e., Beta Site), or risk the lives of the evacuees and who knows how many more (i.e., Earth)? Rush really did make the only choice that could have been made in their situation. By dialing the 9th chevron, he ensured the shockwave could not follow through to endanger Earth and he ensured the continuation of the Icarus mission if the shockwave did not follow through the wormhole to wherever in hell the 9th chevron led.

 

[bullethead]

Rush risking the lives of the Icarus evacuees was still better than the alternative of putting Earth in danger. Of course, one does have to wonder why, knowing the instability of the planet and the potential for a shockwave to follow through the gate, protocol would've called for dialing Earth in the first place for evacuation instead of the Beta Site.

Knowing the writers, drama.

Does it matter where you gate to if a shockwave is going to follow you no matter where you go?

Well, the risk of a shockwave following you through a really long distance connection is probably lower since the energy requirements for said connection would probably result in the gate shutting down after expending all the energy stored up inside it after the flow of power ceased. Either that or the DHD/gate computer getting blown up activated some sort of safety feature that shut down the gate after Young flew through it. I know blowing up the DHD in 48 Hours shut the gate down before Teal'c materialized on the other side, so it's possible, but I'm not sure which one is more plausible.

 

[DWF]

Not for the people evacuating, no, of course not. I was looking at it from a slightly different perspective, though, so I apologize that I didn't make that clear. Basically, would you rather risk the lives of the evacuees (by going to an unknown address), risk the lives of the evacuees and an evacuation point (i.e., Beta Site), or risk the lives of the evacuees and who knows how many more (i.e., Earth)? Rush really did make the only choice that could have been made in their situation. By dialing the 9th chevron, he ensured the shockwave could not follow through to endanger Earth and he ensured the continuation of the Icarus mission if the shockwave did not follow through the wormhole to wherever in hell the 9th chevron led.

Since the shockwave didn't follow them in the first place all Rush did was strand them billions away from home with no way of getting back just to try and gain the Ancients' secret for ascension. And there's no evidience at all that the ship's database even has that information.

 

[PsychoPere]

I think you're missing my point. While Rush may only have been concerned with continuing the mission, he still made the right choice because no one could have known the shockwave would not have followed. Expecting it to do so was a logical assumption. Yes, dialing the ninth chevron instead of Earth resulted in the evacuees being stranded onboard Destiny a far distance from home. However, what if he had dialed Earth instead and the shockwave followed through the wormhole, wreaking extreme havoc on the planet? Rush's decision safeguarded Earth, regardless of his motivations.

 

[The Wormhole]

If Rush were truely working for everybody's best interests he woud've allowed Eli to dail earth in the pilot instead of the unknowns that they would find on Destiny. He also lied about the Icarus type planet in the database and he framed Young for murder.

Dialling Earth wasn't a good option, it carried the risk of the exploding planet being sent through the Stargate. Granted, he shouldn't have dialled Destiny either.

Meanwhile lying about the Icarus planet and framing Young for murder are what I was referring to when I said he had "questionable morals."

 

[Mr. Adventure]

I like the show but I can understand why fans of Stargate don't like it. In fact, the more familiar elements they use, the less I like it: stones, Alliance, etc. Or consequences that resolve all too quickly such as Rush's situation.

 

[David cgc]

Rush risking the lives of the Icarus evacuees was still better than the alternative of putting Earth in danger. Of course, one does have to wonder why, knowing the instability of the planet and the potential for a shockwave to follow through the gate, protocol would've called for dialing Earth in the first place for evacuation instead of the Beta Site.

Young calls him out on this immediately after Rush explains why they had to dial the nine symbol address instead of Earth. He could've picked any other address in the galaxy, both preserving Earth and leaving the escapees in a position to easily return home (assuming the receiving gate didn't explode). I'd imagine SG teams memorize a number of addresses of habitable yet uninhabited planets that they can divert to if it'd be too dangerous to go to Earth or an offworld base.

 

[PsychoPere]

Rush risking the lives of the Icarus evacuees was still better than the alternative of putting Earth in danger. Of course, one does have to wonder why, knowing the instability of the planet and the potential for a shockwave to follow through the gate, protocol would've called for dialing Earth in the first place for evacuation instead of the Beta Site.

Young calls him out on this immediately after Rush explains why they had to dial the nine symbol address instead of Earth. He could've picked any other address in the galaxy, both preserving Earth and leaving the escapees in a position to easily return home (assuming the receiving gate didn't explode). I'd imagine SG teams memorize a number of addresses of habitable yet uninhabited planets that they can divert to if it'd be too dangerous to go to Earth or an offworld base.

Quite probably, and Young certainly was right to call him on it, which was why I added in one of my later posts that Rush's action kept Earth safe and allowed the Icarus mission to continue.

 

[archeryguy1701]

Rush risking the lives of the Icarus evacuees was still better than the alternative of putting Earth in danger. Of course, one does have to wonder why, knowing the instability of the planet and the potential for a shockwave to follow through the gate, protocol would've called for dialing Earth in the first place for evacuation instead of the Beta Site.

Young calls him out on this immediately after Rush explains why they had to dial the nine symbol address instead of Earth. He could've picked any other address in the galaxy, both preserving Earth and leaving the escapees in a position to easily return home (assuming the receiving gate didn't explode). I'd imagine SG teams memorize a number of addresses of habitable yet uninhabited planets that they can divert to if it'd be too dangerous to go to Earth or an offworld base.

Quite probably, and Young certainly was right to call him on it, which was why I added in one of my later posts that Rush's action kept Earth safe and allowed the Icarus mission to continue.

But it was a bad decision because they had no idea where #9 would have dialed them to... for all Rush knew, it could have been a space gate, which not only would prevent them from continuing the Icarus project, but he would have guarenteed that everyone involved in the project would have died. They could have searched for another icarus planet or a different power source anytime, but they only had one shot to get out of there. He was just lucky that it went to a ship that (at the moment) had life support and power.

 

[PsychoPere]

I have to admit, I failed to think of the possibility they'd end up going through a spacegate.

 

[RoJoHen]

My dad bought Season 1.0 for me back in April, but I haven't bothered to watch it until today. I started it this afternoon, and I've been watching non-stop for like 8 hours!

I blew through every episode on the DVDs, and then I was lucky enough to find Season 1.5 on Instant Netflix! I'm really enjoying this show. For the first time in a long time, Stargate feels dangerous!