The civilian versus military split shouldn't be greater then Voyager's Maquis/Federation split in my opinion. it seems overly forced and silly in execution on Universe.
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Voyager never tried to be anything other than "more TNG". It may have been the plan at some point for the Federation and Maquis crew to be at each other's throats, but if so that concept was clearly dropped before the show really started (although it was given a good "what if" in "Worst Case Scenario").
Sadly, this is my take, as well - can't find a single character I like, don't care about their 'predicaments'; it's Voyager and Lost in Space all over, but with darkness and angst. That's not Stargate, for me.
I just got caught up on the show, after having originally stopped at the mid-season hiatus. I thought the first half was still as mostly forgettable as I thought back when it aired, but the second half of the season picked up a bit more. It's still not what I'd consider a really good show, but the last several episodes of the second half convinced me to continue giving it a chance when season two premieres. As such, I voted "eh it's okay."
similar situation for me. was really excited when the series started and quickly began to lose interest. gave up before the mid-season break. decided to catch up as i had nothing better to watch.
while i still don't care for any of the characters i'm looking forward to the second season premier.
wow i leave for a few months and tones certainly have changed about this show, it went from "im excited about it" to "meh, its ok"... the very thing i was afraid of has happened the characters a lackluster and boring except for a few, keeping my fingers crossed for a better season 2 but the characters have to grow some professionalism and maturity for me to watch them. JUST MY 2 CENTS
After just one season it's already in weekend syndication?!?
i think the biggest thing is that you just can't bring yourself to care for any of the characters. if they were to kill off one or two characters i wouldn't care, i haven't formed an attachment to any of them.
the second problem with the show is that its so different from the other two Stargate series. they were fun to watch, had a sense of humor but could be serious at the same time. there is very little sense of fun or humor with SGU so far.
I like the change. I don't want another SG-1 or SGA.
I wouldn't have minded the change if they had been able to have consistently good writing, an interesting premise, and characters you can actually give a fuck about. I only like Rush because he and I are pretty similar in terms of personality and background (having tough childhoods and overcoming them) and Eli seems like a bro even if he's too fucking naive. The rest of the main cast is just horribly written, particularly Greer, since the character is a waste of Jamil Walker Smith's talent (which he does show off whenever Greer isn't being a stereotypical crazy angry black man).
I really think they should've cleaned out the writing staff except for a few veterans of the old shows like Gero and someone who is not Mallozzi (preferably someone good) and gotten new people in.
SGA did the same thing... by the start of season 2, I was watching season 1 late Sunday nights on Fox.
To each their own, I find Greer to be one of the most interesting characters on the show.
He is interesting, but every time he shows up being pissed/paranoid makes me want to stab the writers in the face because that's what they focus on most of the time instead of his quieter and funny sides. Plus they never really show why the hell he's so loyal to Col. Young, which is a massive issue with the show.
I don't see a "massive issue". He's an enlisted soldier who's loyal to his commanding officer. He's trained to do as he's told and trust his CO, and he does. It's possible that Young has done something in the past to solidify that trust. Maybe we'll see that soon, but if not, I can't imagine why it would be a "massive issue" for the show.
He apparently has a problem with Telford that hasn't been explained, but Telford has obviously done something to earn Greer's disdain.
It's the lack of development of that trust that's really the problem, especially after stuff like Pain and Subversion, where neither Young nor Greer bother to question the others judgment. It's stuff like that that makes the viewer question things and not in a good way.
well we will just have to see next week, i just want them to lighten the mood a little its getting to the point of being pretentious now...
I lost count of how many times O'Neill threatened to "shoot" a civilian or scientist off world for behaving like a jackass or putting their team in danger, or not following orders. I know he wasn't really going to shoot anyone in cold blood, but I think he has an appreciation for the military chain of command and sympathy for the situation they're in.
And quite frankly, some of those civilians deserved to be threatened, they think it's some kind of game or pissing contest. They'd probably all be dead now if Camille Wray had been in total control since day one.
I think it's funny that some people are defining Eli as a "whiny emo hipster" kid. I don't think they know what an "EMO hipster" actually is, but it sounds good and it's insulting so they run with it.
Stargate SG-1 and Atlantis did things a certain way that pissed off a lot of people. So the producers went in a different direction, corrected a lot of those errors (IMO), and now there are a different (some the same) set of people complaining about other shit. If you like the show, watch it, and don't worry what a bunch of people who don't like the show think about it.
Yes, because if there is one thing the military is known for, it's questioning every order and non-coms building trusting relationships with their superior officers before they are willing to accept orders.
Greer has a chip on his shoulder, but he's a soldier with what seems to be unwavering loyalty to the uniform. Granted, that's the kind of single-mindedness that leads soldiers to commit war crimes, but it's far from unrealistic. If the viewer "questions that", they're not familiar with the way the military operates. Just because everyone on BSG was drunk and ready to punch out their immediate superior doesn't mean that's "realistic". There are plenty of people questioning Young's orders, it would be silly to think he wouldn't have supporters. In fact, if he didn't, it would be unrealistic to think he'd still even be in command.
The only reason is Young is still in command is due to bad writing. They already established that a significant amount of the military personnel distrusted Young in episode 4, then that gets tossed aside for playing up the military/civilian conflict, despite the fact that his chain of command completely ignores one of the few officers aboard in favor of a medic and includes a person who has severe anger issues, he assaults one of his own men, massively mishandles the civilians, and attempts to kill two people in order to cover up an earlier attempt to kill one of them. The only reason Young wasn't held accountable for any of it was because he has had writers' fiat on his side from day one. Lt. James had good grounds to relieve Col. Young of duty during the mutiny episode or could have simply refused to obey his orders, but she dutifully obeys because the plot demands her to. And that's not the end of it.
Once we hit the end of the season, Young adds not informing the crew of a potentially life threatening situation (hallucinogenic ticks), telling a subordinate officer to fuck off after issuing morally suspect orders without explanation (venting the atmosphere in Telford's room), and his incompetent handling of the Alliance situation, which kills several of his men and would get them all killed if it weren't for the writers saving his ass. The only reason there's even going to be any comeuppance from the crew for Young's sheer incompetence in season 2 is so that there's some drama to bilk for the plot of an episode or two.
By significant, you mean just Spencer?
Not really sure who you would want as people in his elite circle of trust. Riley? He was knocked out of commission in Earth.
Doubt Rush actually went and told Earth about how Young assaulted and left him on the planet. The official story is probably he was caught in a rockslide.
I thought Young's whole "Spirit of Cooperation" was fine. He could definitely treat the civillians better "I WANT IT DONE, DO IT NOW." That isn't really grounds to remove him from command.
Young firing on the ship was a command decision. He went over and freed Rush. The communication was cut short, and when he couldn't get back via the stones, he gave the order. Realistically, Rush shouldn't have been able to solo rescue Chloe and fly back. It would have been an extremely long shot. Firing on the alien ship was the best command decision.
Lt. James did not have enough reasons. There's no single event she can point at that proves Young is incapable of command.
Young messed up big time in the Finale. Remains to be seen if anything changes.
Thing is, Greer doesn't seem to be the kind of guy who blindly obeys anyone with a higher rank. Otherwise, he wouldn't have beaten Telford up. He seems genuinely devoted and loyal to Young beyond the extent that a sergeant is supposed to be devoted to a colonel.
Pretty much all the military personnel are fanatically loyal to Young. The only exceptions are Sgt. Spencer, who was mentally unstable, and Lt. Scott who didn't start questioning Young until Young put Telford throught the Rite of M'al Sharran.
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