What was the studio the produced the show?
If the studio owns the record company......
See what I'm getting at?
Why do you think Beltran was/has been so critical?
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If the studio owns the record company......
See what I'm getting at?
I have to admit I'm being a bit unfair to TNG and TREK.
I tend to criticize TNG (still do) by saying the music they enjoyed was too outdated, but when "Enterprise" tried to use a modern sounding adult contemporary song for its theme, I criticized that too.
And the thing about paying out royalties was a good point too.
The feeling I got from TNG was that it was, in a sense, too repressed for what was supposed to be a future society.
It didn't seem that way when I first watched it, but when you watch the reruns, you get this vibe, 'the technology is there, but is this really how 24-50 year olds enjoy themselves and talk?'
I tend to criticize TNG (still do) by saying the music they enjoyed was too outdated, but when "Enterprise" tried to use a modern sounding adult contemporary song for its theme, I criticized that too.
And the thing about paying out royalties was a good point too.
The feeling I got from TNG was that it was, in a sense, too repressed for what was supposed to be a future society.
It didn't seem that way when I first watched it, but when you watch the reruns, you get this vibe, 'the technology is there, but is this really how 24-50 year olds enjoy themselves and talk?'
...until the Hendrix version was used in the finale, which can't have come cheap, but Universal apparently supported using that version as early as the season three finale.
He got that right!
If the Hendrix verion was used in the finale then the cost by then doesn't matter. They're going to blow the budget if they have it on the last ep. regardless.
That might have come cheap, since they used the Hendrix version, and that estate has been in litigation, with various family members fighting each other and the winners selling rights to annoy the losers.
Agreed!
All these years later and my head still hurts trying to get where that came from. 
Kate Mulgrew seems to agree too, at least in part..
And just to point out, for the sake of fairness, that Kate and Robert never say it was personal or between the actors themselves...
Can you dig that? lol
And just to point out, for the sake of fairness, that Kate and Robert never say it was personal or between the actors themselves...
Can you dig that? lol
Robert has a point. They were through with Voyager and focusing on the new, better, improved ENT. They didn't bother with character development and tended to take the easy way out. Season Seven is not just unevenly written, it ignores the upcoming climax of SEVEN YEARS! Incredible.
Of course the cost matters. Rights for continued play on home video and television repeats would have to be paid for. As far as breaking the bank goes, television is budgeted on a season-by-season basis (resulting in the formula of an epic show almost always being followed by a bottle show), so the situation (the last episode of season three vs. the last episode of season four) is exactly the same.
It seems like paying royalties off a Hendrix song would have to expensive...it's amazing the shows could get anything done considering the expenses..
I got that too..
They ruined any surprise or suspense by opening the episode revealing that they already made it home!
And then didn't they just end the last scene abruptly with Voyager just flying around after they got home?
I got that too..
They ruined any surprise or suspense by opening the episode revealing that they already made it home!
And then didn't they just end the last scene abruptly with Voyager just flying around after they got home?
Kate Mulgrew's fault. She said that she figured that the fans would understand if it ended so abruptly. And there was a time constraint. Which I find that excuse to be bull since Paramout owned UPN.
Did anyone see him at Dragon Con this year? I missed it.
If DS9 can spend...8, 9 episodes on their finale, I don't see why Voyager couldn't spend another 1-2 on theirs, especially given everything they would have had to gain by showing a proper resolution, and what little they would have had to lose based on the episodes they showed in that stretch.
Actually, I liked "Endgame", for the most part. Of course, I, too, did not like the sudden pairing of Chakotay and Seven at all.
Agreed!
But I'm curious: did anyone? (I hope I didn't set that up to make people reluctant to answer "yes"!)
But really, about "Endgame": it seemed to fit in fairly well with the overall tone/course VOY had been taking since season six or so. And I liked having the homecoming not shown to leave it up to our imaginations. (Though if they'd stretched it out like DS9 did and had Voyager get home earlier, I would've liked to have seen a homecoming. I just wouldn't have wanted to see a rushed one.)
And finally, about Beltran's comments criticizing the writers for "not caring" and treating his character (and Tuvok and Harry) poorly: what is the consensus here? I think we all agree that it eventually became mostly about the trio of Seven, the Doctor, and Janeway (I guess like how TOS focused on main trio), but was he just complaining/sour grapes or was he genuinely concerned about the "integrity" of his art, which was acting as part of a Trek ensemble cast?
I'm not looking for opinions on VOY in general or whether it lived up to its potential etc.: there are plenty of threads about that. I'm more curious about why Beltran acted out and whether we should admire him for speaking up, even if he wasn't tactful.
As I've said before, if it were me, I'd be happy to have the big paychecks, job security, less responsibility, and clout that comes with being part of a franchise whose fans treat its actors like heroes/gods. I'd think it'd be pretty easy for him to land a good job after, especially because his character wasn't the kind that typecasted him (unlike, say Nimoy or Mark Hamill): Hollywood would recognize him as a success without worrying about the audience of a future show from constantly thinking Beltran=Chakotay. I recall when LotR came out, people's reaction to Elrond (Hugo Weaving) was "hey, it's Agent Smith from 'The Matrix'!" And reportedly Alec Guiness hated being chiefly recognized for his role as Obi Wan when in fact he had had a long and illustrious acting career.
So what is the consensus about Beltran's statements? Why not keep quiet and enjoy the money, steady work, fandom, etc? He had plenty of acting years left in him.
And why be critical of the fans? Did they do something to hurt him? It wasn't their fault VOY was written as it was.
I've always watched Voyager pretty loyally as it aired. I like episode many others would probably say is a lame episode..
I just couldn't get into the last episode as much as I did the others.
Opening the episode by showing that they made it, took most of the suspense away, at least IMO.
Voyage previously did so many time travel and alternate reality episodes that time travel plot didn't seem as special.
The abrupt ending gave me an anti climatic feeling.
Voyagers crew doesn't break out in cheers and cry? The Starfleet station's crew doesn't break out in loud cheers? (Except for maybe Harry which made his reaction stand out).
It was all so business-like..
I have to agree, a paycheck, and some residuals, afterwards (I heard residual income is pretty good) is something to be very thankful for.
I find Robert Beltran comments funny and interesting because he's being completely honest about disagreements and resentments, when usually actors will give mainly praise and standard answers about a production.
From what I get he was dissatisfied with how his character was written and didn't get to contribute feedback about it. Add Mr. Wang's views and it was also about creativity and upper management not listening to feedback either.
But wait... There's more
Agree or disagree, this is Beltran!
I just couldn't get into the last episode as much as I did the others.
Opening the episode by showing that they made it, took most of the suspense away, at least IMO.
Voyage previously did so many time travel and alternate reality episodes that time travel plot didn't seem as special.
The abrupt ending gave me an anti climatic feeling.
Voyagers crew doesn't break out in cheers and cry? The Starfleet station's crew doesn't break out in loud cheers? (Except for maybe Harry which made his reaction stand out).
It was all so business-like..
I have to agree, a paycheck, and some residuals, afterwards (I heard residual income is pretty good) is something to be very thankful for.
I find Robert Beltran comments funny and interesting because he's being completely honest about disagreements and resentments, when usually actors will give mainly praise and standard answers about a production.
From what I get he was dissatisfied with how his character was written and didn't get to contribute feedback about it. Add Mr. Wang's views and it was also about creativity and upper management not listening to feedback either.
But wait... There's more
Agree or disagree, this is Beltran!
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I completely agree with this.
In my experience blame for something usually extends in more than one direction. Beltran may not have played Chakotay to the best of his ability...or his ability may have been limited...but it doesn't seem that TPTB particularly gave him opportunity to show off what ability he might have had either.
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