In that case you should give nuBSG shot. Characters are coming, going, returning, dying, returning after death, no wait, not dead after all, etc. all the time.
Why do you think Beltran was/has been so critical?
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In that case you should give nuBSG shot. Characters are coming, going, returning, dying, returning after death, no wait, not dead after all, etc. all the time.
I've tried getting into nuBSG several times and I just can't seem to get into it. While I would like a rotating cast, I prefer sci-fi that gives me a sense of hope for the future like Trek does.
Well, not really. None of the main cast who were actually important and whom MATTERED ever died until the finale. All those others were more or less insignificant minor characters.
I wonder what makes ER work that can't work for Trek.
All right, I'm no tv critic or expert, so I can definitely be completely wrong...
Er is going to take risks, because it is a modern show about imperfect, sexual, crazy albeit, moral humans working in an ER who try to do their best.
Star wars can have its main characters dabble in capitalism, weird religious concepts, violence and still have them be the heroes.
Trek is going to take less risks because it is a future show where everyone has a mold to fit into.
It kind of distances it from the 'natural' behavior that we're used to seeing, IMO.
Right on! lol
Er is going to take risks, because it is a modern show about imperfect, sexual, crazy albeit, moral humans working in an ER who try to do their best.
Star wars can have its main characters dabble in capitalism, weird religious concepts, violence and still have them be the heroes.
Trek is going to take less risks because it is a future show where everyone has a mold to fit into.
It kind of distances it from the 'natural' behavior that we're used to seeing, IMO.
Right on! lol
An audience more tolerant of change.
Half the dramatic shows on American TV go thru cast changes( All the Law & Orders, CSI, Criminal Minds. Even Spin City went on without Michael J. Fox) & still hold an audience. Trek is one of the few that I know of that if a cast member leaves, the fans will abandon the show or hold a grudge over it for years. How long did it take TOS fans to accept TNG or TNG fans to accept DS9 and so on? Many can't even accept that a different producer/director(J.J Abrams) has a different vision of Trek. IMO if Trek fans really wanted change, DS9 would have been a bigger hit while it was on TV instead of after the fact.
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Well, for small "Trio" shows like TOS I can understand since it's just three characters. And plus, the TOS characters weren't so much characters as they were archetypes who were lucky enough to be played by great actors.
TNG I could possibly see as an ER type show...
But you're right, Trek is just too niche to do that.
TNG I could possibly see as an ER type show...
But you're right, Trek is just too niche to do that.
Funny thing is I don't expect a sense of hope for the future from all sci-fi but I do expect it from Trek. In some ways BSG and Trek are two sides of the same coin. Trek gives the view of what we could accomplish if we ever get our act together and BSG gives where we're likely to end up if we continue as is. Both are possible outcomes and I find it interesting to see how they play out.
I guess I prefer optimisim and old fashioned values instead.
Funny thing is I don't expect a sense of hope for the future from all sci-fi but I do expect it from Trek. In some ways BSG and Trek are two sides of the same coin. Trek gives the view of what we could accomplish if we ever get our act together and BSG gives where we're likely to end up if we continue as is. Both are possible outcomes and I find it interesting to see how they play out.
That and I honestly found nuBSG kinda dull......
I guess I prefer optimisim and old fashioned values instead.
Old-fashioned values, Sparky?
The moral & ethics that TNG & Voy brought across.I guess I prefer optimisim and old fashioned values instead.
Old-fashioned values, Sparky?
You find fewer & fewer "heroes" in modern TV/Film with those complete types of values. Everybody seems to be becoming shades of grey. I don't find many prime time shows that can be enjoyed by the whole family anymore. That's what I mean about old fashioned values.
To spite whatever issues we have with Voyager, you can still sit down with your kids and watch it with them and not worry too much if what they're seeing is questionable.
Yep.
I know many college professors used Trek in there classes for the same reasons.
The moral & ethics that TNG & Voy brought across.I guess I prefer optimisim and old fashioned values instead.
Old-fashioned values, Sparky?
You find fewer & fewer "heroes" in modern TV/Film with those complete types of values. Everybody seems to be becoming shades of grey. I don't find many prime time shows that can be enjoyed by the whole family anymore. That's what I mean about old fashioned values.
To spite whatever issues we have with Voyager, you can still sit down with your kids and watch it with them and not worry too much if what they're seeing is questionable.
I have to agree with you there.
I agree too. Trek is pretty children friendly and probably wasn't meant to be some adult soap opera in space..
I think that trek, like TNG, had a certain mold for 24th century main characters and the results were sometimes too restricting.
Like the music they played more often than not was classical or perhaps Jazz as if that is the only acceptable music that evolved 24th century humans would listen to.
It kind of extended into speech and lifestyle in a way.
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Hey now!
Jazz is for the cool.
Picard may come across snooty but IMO, Riker was pretty chill. I can see him and Troi jammin' out to some Spyro Gyra & David Sanbourne or mellowing out to Miles.
Yep.
It's why they had to remove "If I Only Had Eyes for You" from the DVD release of the ep. "LifeSigns" and replaces it with a cheaper costing song.
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