Which she rejected until Be'lanna showed she had a know how Lt. Carey didn't. Janeway wasn't considering letting any Maquis have a ranking position of importance until Be'lanna spoke up during a staff meeting. Before that, she completely dismissed Chakotay's idea. Even rolled her eyes at him over it.
Why do you think Beltran was/has been so critical?
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But the point is that it wouldn't have even been considered if Chakotay hadn't made the suggestion. It's not like Tuvok was going to make that recommendation. Plus Chakotay warned her that he wasn't interested in being her "token Maquis."
Overall I still agree with what I said earlier. Chakotay's counsel was ignored more often than followed.
Chakotah, I.M.O, was a likable guy. I had no trouble believing he was a Maqui leader or made a good first officer.
He seemed like fair minded, reasonable good hearted person.
Therefore, I rather liked his character.
The problem, at least from my point of view, is that at times he was reduced to sitting in his chair and stating the obvious right after a crew member just stated the same thing after looking at their sensors.
I don't know..too serious and just not enough dimension in his life and character?
Like how Riker joked around, played poker, played trombone badly and flirted with everything that moved?
Maybe he wanted his character to be more loose and flexible rather than always spiritual and composed etc.
I always assumed the Trek series pattern was to build the personalities of the captain and the first officer and then work on the other characters.
This was posted on another site about this issue;
He's really had his differences with the series.
Still residuals can't feel too bad...
I have to admit though, his response was funny...
He seemed like fair minded, reasonable good hearted person.
Therefore, I rather liked his character.
The problem, at least from my point of view, is that at times he was reduced to sitting in his chair and stating the obvious right after a crew member just stated the same thing after looking at their sensors.
I don't know..too serious and just not enough dimension in his life and character?
Like how Riker joked around, played poker, played trombone badly and flirted with everything that moved?
Maybe he wanted his character to be more loose and flexible rather than always spiritual and composed etc.
I always assumed the Trek series pattern was to build the personalities of the captain and the first officer and then work on the other characters.
This was posted on another site about this issue;
He's really had his differences with the series.
Still residuals can't feel too bad...
I have to admit though, his response was funny...
RB obviously doesn't like the rabid Star Trek fans who take the whole thing too seriously. It was a job, he did it (perhaps not to the best of his ability, who knows?), and went home.
I saw John de Lancie once in Chicago, and the crowd was asking him to compare the TNG set and crew to the VOY cast and crew, etc. He explained that he was a guest star who showed up for a few days one week, collected his paycheck, and went on to the next job. He said it was like asking someone about a July 4th picnic they attended five years earlier and wondering whether they liked the potato salad. It just isn't on his radar. Now, I think de Lancie and RB were saying the same thing, but de Lancie did it in a way that wasn't booed by the fans. RB is just a bit too blunt and in-your-face about things, and fans don't react well. That's all.
There were probably others who weren't happy about their character's development, but they kept their mouths shut because they were being paid the same whether they were used a lot or not. RB chose to be vocal--and many commend him for his honesty.
I saw John de Lancie once in Chicago, and the crowd was asking him to compare the TNG set and crew to the VOY cast and crew, etc. He explained that he was a guest star who showed up for a few days one week, collected his paycheck, and went on to the next job. He said it was like asking someone about a July 4th picnic they attended five years earlier and wondering whether they liked the potato salad. It just isn't on his radar. Now, I think de Lancie and RB were saying the same thing, but de Lancie did it in a way that wasn't booed by the fans. RB is just a bit too blunt and in-your-face about things, and fans don't react well. That's all.
There were probably others who weren't happy about their character's development, but they kept their mouths shut because they were being paid the same whether they were used a lot or not. RB chose to be vocal--and many commend him for his honesty.
Untrue.
I attended that very Con. in New Jersey mentioned above.
It was in Hackensack, the same as in the Billy Joel song.
Beltran was very polite to the entire audience. He even took time on the autograph line to greet each person individually. He took the time to talk football with me. This was how Beltran was before becoming disgruntled.
They booed him because he admitted he had never watched a Trek show before and didn't know the history that well. They bad mouthed him because upon questioning, he didn't know who the Borg were yet. (this Con. had taken place after the wrap of s1) The crowd was upset because they were the type of fans that believed that all the actors on Trek must worship it as they do. They didn't understand it just being a job for them. Oddly enough, they found such a comments as an insult because they weren't knowledgeable enough to understand for actors it is just a job.
Besides, rabid fan is just a kind term for stalker.
Beltran said that he was very interested in playing Chakotay because he saw him a a man in inner turmoil with an aggressive side but looking for inner peace. I guess Chakotay's struggles were supposed to be similar to Wolverine. A man created by war but looking for solace.I thought he was well cast in VOY and I guess maybe he thought more would have come professionally after it ended? A Star Trek series with his character?
I think Chuckles would have been an awesome character had they developed him further this way.
Yes, and he wasn't even a traitorous Fleeter like Eddington. This meant it was believable that there wouldn't be a lot of conflict between him and Janeway, but it did undercut the Maquis (and the Maquis already needed more work) angle further.
Making him a traitor would've been repetitive, but a TRUE "Man of the People" who already was somewhat Anti-Federation (or at least, pro-Colonist) would make for a better counter to Janeway.
Making him a traitor would've been repetitive, but a TRUE "Man of the People" who already was somewhat Anti-Federation (or at least, pro-Colonist) would make for a better counter to Janeway.
If that's the case, then I advice anyone reading the first story about his appearance to take it with a grain of salt.
It did seem like a convenient plot device to have Chakotah be a former Starfleet officer with command experience.
I still bought it though, still found his character likable.
I don't know why, but I find his quotes about the direction of show funny, maybe because he's being blatantly honest about it.
He still has good things to say about it in general;
http://www.beltranrobert.de/interviews_voy_talksvoyager.htm
It did seem like a convenient plot device to have Chakotah be a former Starfleet officer with command experience.
I still bought it though, still found his character likable.
I don't know why, but I find his quotes about the direction of show funny, maybe because he's being blatantly honest about it.
He still has good things to say about it in general;
http://www.beltranrobert.de/interviews_voy_talksvoyager.htm
I disagree.
The problem as I see wasn't with the character himself but the lack of use and development of him. Chakotay himself wasn't the problem, it's the fact the he didn't do shit that is.
Well, I say it's a combo of both: His character as conceived wasn't different enough from Janeway, and they didn't do jack sh*t with him in the show proper either.
Of course, I'm of the mind that using the Maquis was a poor idea or incomplete idea to begin with. They could've easily had the other crew be Romulans. And if they didn't want to have the two crews be on one ship, just have the Romulan warship have a crippled warp drive (but superior weaponry) that couldn't be fixed so VOY has to tractor beam it when they warp themselves. There, the crewmembers who want to stay separate get their own ship, Romulans/Feds who are willing to serve on the others' vessel for cooperation can, you have two ships with an excuse as to why they stick together, etc.
Of course, I'm of the mind that using the Maquis was a poor idea or incomplete idea to begin with. They could've easily had the other crew be Romulans. And if they didn't want to have the two crews be on one ship, just have the Romulan warship have a crippled warp drive (but superior weaponry) that couldn't be fixed so VOY has to tractor beam it when they warp themselves. There, the crewmembers who want to stay separate get their own ship, Romulans/Feds who are willing to serve on the others' vessel for cooperation can, you have two ships with an excuse as to why they stick together, etc.
"Basics". Both Chakotay and Tuvok were giving her advice on how to deal with the natives after they kidnapped Kes. Janeway followed Chakotay's which didn't help the relationship between Chakotay and Tuvok. There were hints of the tension between the two which would have been interesting to explore further, imo. After all, Tuvok would have been first officer if it wasn't offered to Chakotay and he had been Janeway's trusted advisor for many years. Suddenly Chakotay pops up and Janeway starts trusting him. Tuvok confesses in a later episodes to some resentment about that but it would have been interesting to see that played out more.
I have to ask this question to anyone that can give proof in answering it:
When did the writers/producers ever state that the Maquis were supposed to cause conflict on the show as part of the shows primise? Only thing I've ever heard Voyager's primise to be is that they were lost in space, nothing more.
When did the writers/producers ever state that the Maquis were supposed to cause conflict on the show as part of the shows primise? Only thing I've ever heard Voyager's primise to be is that they were lost in space, nothing more.
I don't remember the word "goddess" anywhere in there. He did call her brave and wise. Actually, there are plenty of women who are brave and wise - being a goddess is not a prerequisite.
The way he described the warrior queen in the legend sounds like many Native American goddess legends.
But, no, the word "goddess" isn't used. I guess we get really literal around here about everything except J/C subtext.
HOLLA!!I guess we get really literal around here about everything except J/C subtext.
Hard to argue with that!
How about this one? In Unimatrix Zero, Chakotay confronted her about her desire to go the Borg alone, and she changed her mind and took Tuvok and B'Elanna with her.
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