^ I agree. One of my best friends has called me Jack (his nickname for me) since shortly after we met many years ago (and not for any teasing reason). He still calls me Jack, and so does his wife, as she learned it from him once they started dating.
Is TOS really part of Trek Canon?
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kkozoriz1
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From Martin Sheen's bio on IMDB:
"Never officially changed his real name to his stage one. He is still Ramon Estevez on all identifications and legal documents, and all his children were born under that name. He answers to both names with friends, but his wife first met him as Martin (he did not tell her his real name until weeks later) and as a result she still calls him that."
"Never officially changed his real name to his stage one. He is still Ramon Estevez on all identifications and legal documents, and all his children were born under that name. He answers to both names with friends, but his wife first met him as Martin (he did not tell her his real name until weeks later) and as a result she still calls him that."
No, he didn't nail anything. Android Kirk did not say "You only call him Sam" he said "Only you call him Sam." Don't mistake the two. As I said before, I know from personal experience that younger brothers call their older brothers by nicknames that no one else even knows, let alone that no one else uses. Just because Kirk calls his brother 'Sam' doesn't mean that is all he calls him. To maintain a professional demeanor when addressing his brother around others, Kirk will call him 'George,' or people will be confused, as George obviously tells everyone to call him that. If McCoy had heard Kirk call his brother 'Sam,' McCoy would have asked who 'Sam' is, and would not use the name due to the same interest in professionalism.
To be honest, I'm truly amazed that this has never occurred to you. Everyone I've discussed this with IRL has gotten it easily. And don't accuse me of mindreading, I said the above because that was the intent of the original dialog.
^^ You're being ridiculous. In all the time Kirk and McCoy know each other and are establishing a friendship Kirk likely referred to his brother and called him Sam (as he is wont to do) and so McCoy would naturally follow suit. I've seen this happen in real life often where we refer to someone by name that we've heard used and then found out later that it wasn't the proper name.
No offense... but the only one who knows the intent of the original dialogue is Robert Bloch. The writer of the episode. Everything else is just interpretation.
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Actually, I wonder... on a related topic, is TAS (the animated series) generally considered part of Star Trek canon? Or is it just a minority of people who think this is so (I've seen people rely upon events in TAS for arguments about consistency in the movies/series).
TAS is not canon, but that doesn't mean that some canon material (DS9, ENT, STVI) can't make oblique references to it.
I think that all Star Trek TOS, TAS , NG, DS9, VOY, ENT, 1979-2002 movies and 2009+ movies officially or unofficially are canon in the Star Trek universe because there are references that run through them all.
What are some, if you know of any off the top of your head? I've never watched TAS, so I'm rather clueless about it.
Hope this helps, here is a link that extensively discusses the canon of TAS:
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_The_Animated_Series
DS9 references the IKS Klothos, which is from The Time Trap, Tiberius is from the episode BEM and Shi'kahr, which was referenced in Enterprise, is from the episode Yesteryear.
And there's a ton more.
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_The_Animated_Series
Scroll about halfway down the page.
EDIT: What Galileo7 said...
If McCoy had heard Kirk call his brother Sam, he would have asked why he was doing so, when, once again, only Jim calls him Sam. If Kirk says, "Oh, that's just my nickname for him." McCoy is not going to use the name. Despite BillJ's facetious retort about Robert Bloch's intentions regarding the audience interpretation of the dialog, if only Jim calls him Sam, only Jim calls him Sam. Therefore, as I've said too many times in this thread to justify your continued denials, the writer of "Operation Annihilate" screwed up, and had McCoy call Kirk's brother by the wrong name.
number6
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I gotta agree with Warped here. His opinion embraces something that would happen in real life, whereas you are making a literal interpretation of the events in those episodes.. Of course taken literally you would be correct, but real life isn't like that. Warped's statement would clearly be a more true and more realistic. The fact that it goes unstated is arbitrary. Clearly Bones and Jim are good friends and there's no reason to think that Bones wouldn't call Kirk's brother Sam. That characterization should need the spoonfed explanation that you apparently require.
Are we really arguing about this?? Really??
kkozoriz1
Fleet Captain
My stepfather called his brother Sam (really) even though his name was Wally. He was the ONLY person that ever did that. None of Wally's friends, relatives, neighbors called him anything but Wally. It can happen that someone is called a name by only one person.
No, I never did find out why he called him Sam. He didn't have a middle name.
No, I never did find out why he called him Sam. He didn't have a middle name.
number6
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Not a stretch at all. Some people can fill in the blanks with their imagination and some people need a scene or line of dialog that literally explains everything..
Go figure, right?
You're the one who stated what the intent of the dialogue was. I was just letting you know that only Robert Bloch knows the intent of the line in question, because he wrote it.
I agree with Number 6... dumbest Star Trek argument ever.
Wait a second. We know that Captain Kirk's first name is James--yet Spock called him Jim on occasion.
I demand an explanation!!! Is there anything on-screen that explains this inconsistency?
I demand an explanation!!! Is there anything on-screen that explains this inconsistency?
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