Done with Star Trek?

[Noname Given]

Yes, I hate the film, but it's really only a part of my dissatisfaction. It's only the latest of disappointments stretching back years. What it really comes down to is fading interest to cover the same ground over and over and over again. Subjects are raised by new posters for whom it's all new and fresh while you've hashed over it countless times. You get to the point feeling, "What have I got to contribute that hasn't been said ad nauseam already?"

^^^^
See! Told you he'd be back, wasn't done; and just can't stop being 'interested' after he claims he is no longer 'interested'. (if you were actually no longer interested, you'd stop talking about a subject youare no longer interested in).

 

[doubleohfive]

You know, I respect everyone's right to an opinion. I even respect everyone's right to have their opinion and drone on and on about it, endlessly and without capacity to be moved or re-thought.

That said, some of you guys --in this forum in particular-- are such sticks-in-the-mud, that I'd wager for all your pontificating about how important it is to attract new fans, that your belligerent refusal to acknowledge any of the positive impact the 2009 JJ Abrams film had is remarkably short-sighted, self-serving, and well, kind of douchey.

As for Warped9, well, this thread has contained no surprises. For nearly as long as I've been here on this BBS -- nine years!-- I can't seem to recall a time when Warped9 wasn't espousing his hatred of all things Trek (post 1979, of course!) and frankly, as far as I'm concerned, if he's "Done with Trek" so much the better. We can all get back to talking about the things we LIKE instead of just rolling our eyes at the same one-note pedantry.

In short, Warped9, for crying out loud... GET A BLOG.

 

[doubleohfive]

You get to the point feeling, "What have I got to contribute that hasn't been said ad nauseam already?"

Ironic post is ironic.

 

[Shatnertage]

Warped 9, I don't agree with much of what you say about Trek post-1979, but one of the things I enjoy about this place is getting a different perspective.

So I'm not asking this question to be a smartass or anything, but what exactly are you looking to get out of Trek these days?

What would make you not be "done" with it? A new TV series? No more movies?

 

[Gary7]

Regarding Abrams Trek, I was happy that it was successful. I found it mildly interesting as a popcorn flick, but agree that it didn't feel like "real" Trek - TO ME.

I'm afraid that it won't spark a new generation of Trek fans - that is, long-term fans who will delve back into the original Trek. It was just a popular popcorn flick. The next one might or might not be successful on the same level.

I was also happy it was successful. It wasn't "real Trek"? Well, it wasn't "canon"... it was a reboot. Even Abrams admitted as much. And it will stay that way. He may have reused the names, the characters, and some of the backstory, but it's his own incarnation. And... it won't last. He's going to make Trek #2 that will come out in 2012, but I doubt another will follow. He did what he set out to do. Create "his own" version of Star Trek.

^ Honestly, I know many, many people who have gotten into the older shows through NuTrek. Granted, some of them like the new movie better, but so what? The new movie designed to appeal to a new generation of fans appealed to . . . GASP! A new generation!

I'm very glad to hear this. I was hoping this might happen. Of course, they'll like what they saw first... it's also crafted in the short attention span style of the day. They might find it hard to adjust to the different pace of the previous Star Trek work. But there will be many who make the adjustment, I think.


Quite frankly, I find it "illogical" for anyone to outright hate "nuTrek". To get caught up on it "violating" what came before it. It's someone else's imagination, imagined and executed in a different way. A "what if" Trek. Why not? Why hate it? It does not invalidate the other Star Trek incarnations. It is only INFLUENCED, not connected by it. I went into the theater feeling like I was going to hate it, and be offended at the "rewriting" of what once was. But... I didn't. I was able to detach myself from seeing this as a remake of original Star Trek and let it be it's own movie. And you know what? That let me enjoy it. Yeah, there were some notable plausibility violations in it, but putting that aside made for a fun movie. Anybody who outright detests it and won't see it because they can't make that detachment has a personal problem. And I feel bad for them, because they're missing a fun movie.

Just as we accept other races... and other forms of life... so let us embrace the many imaginative versions of Star Trek, from the original series, to the books, to the "nuTrek". Because there won't be much more new stuff coming in the short run... and to ignore or be intolerable of the other incarnations is just shortchanging yourself. Live long and enjoy.

 

[Too Much Fun]

What inspired this thread anyway? I would expect something like this maybe immediately after the sequel came out if it pissed people off as much as last year's did, but for someone to make a decision like that when there is no Star Trek series on TV or movie in theatres seems a little strange. I would expect something recent to be the breaking point/final nail.

I had a lot of problems with the 2009 movie, mostly story-related, but I see in it a lot of potential for future installments. I'll be optimistic about Star Trek until if and when the sequel proves that the people running the franchise truly have no good or original ideas left. I think it's too soon to be sure about that.

 

[AMQ]

I don't think I'll ever be done with ST. I watch any Trek that I can get my hands on. It's not important is it TNG,VOY, DSG OR ENT (I've never had a chance to see TOS ) I can get in the story right away and watch it like the first time.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

I'm sure there are a few around here who will assert that have been done with Warped9 for decades. Well that's not quite accurate.

I held in for a long time. Firstly through the dry years of last week when Warped9's hatred for Star Trek was kept alive by the enormous success of the feature film and significant fan interest here on this BBS, as well as a smattering of occasional thread derailments. Many folks like to call Warped9's obsessive posting about the same topic over-and-over -and Warped9 himself- a failure, but that is by a very narrow definition because in the long run Warped9's obsession over the new Trek film was so massive that it launched a huge franchise of annoyed BBS posters.

Although I had my quibbles along the way any real dissatisfaction with Warped9 really started to take hold for me around about his 15,000th post, when his rage was in its final years, his ire got going and some medication came along. That and the Eclipse movies. That and the exposure to less annoying BBS posters in the Science Fiction & Fantasy forums helped give focus to things about Warped9 I was disappointed with and get an idea of where I felt Warped9 started to go astray (for my liking).

To say I'm done with Warped9 needs to be qualified. I will always love mocking him (missteps and all) as well as some of the elements of his personality. To that end I will still collect quotes related to those parts of Warped9 that I appreciate. I will continue to pursue personal little projects like rolling my eyes at him, sighing over his comments, and ignoring him, also related to those.

For a long time I couldn't imagine turning sour on Warped9, but I'm really done with the poster as a whole. He hasn't interested me in any positive way for years. And assuming that this thread is the new face of Warped9's posts then that is the final nail in the coffin until/unless he is ever posts about something bearing at least a passing resemblance to a new or fresh opinion. I won't elaborate any further on this point because I'm sure someone (no idea who!) would take personal offense over it.

I could well be a lone voice here or perhaps there might be a handful of like minded souls lurking about. If it sounds like sour grapes then so be it. The poster has gone in a direction I don't care for and don't respect. For those for whom it works, have fun.

I'm thankful there's other BBS members to enjoy and have intelligent discussions with, in here.

A movie that I personally dislike is currently extremely popular. I don't like this fact and so, after losing arguments debating NuTrek's legitimacy as Star Trek, I'm deciding to take my leave. Instead of doing a sensible and consistant thing like just stop posting, I've chosen instead to make a thread to draw attention to myself as well as continue to reply to the forum I just claimed to have little wish to interact with anymore. Still, at least I got attention, right?

Simplified version. No need to thank me.

You know you guys should try TNZ I haven't seen a cutting someone off at the knees this good in months.

 

[Warped9]

It always warms my heart to see how understanding each side is to the others quarrels with Trek.

True that.

 

[Maurice]

Personally, over time I've become more interested in the technical aspects of the production of TOS and the early films than I am in watching any of the shows. I'd had enough of TNG by midway through the 4th season, couldn't get into DS9 (my username notwithstanding), and couldn't stomach what I saw of Voyager or Enterprise. The only Trek I've enjoyed in recent memory is the new film.

 

[darkwing_duck1]

Conversely with not understanding the "hardline" position of Old School fans, I find the reflexive need of some or most New School fans to push out the existing fanbase puzzling and troubling. I've seen it happen three times now, and the pattern of behavior was always the same: The Old School was "outdated", "cheesy", somehow substandard, and needing "new life" (read: the Nu Fanbase). If you weren't with the Nu Fan program lockstep you were "afraid of change", guilty of "nerd sense of entitlement", etc.

It's like when a new alpha male lion takes over a pride. Some Nu Fans seem to have the instinctive need to kill all the existing "cubs" and repopulate the pride with their own.

 

[Dukhat]

And... it won't last. He's going to make Trek #2 that will come out in 2012, but I doubt another will follow.

Don't be so sure of that. While I enjoyed the first Transformers movie, the second one sucked ass. However, that's not stopping them from making Transformers III.

As long as there's interest in something, however waning, more sequels will follow.

 

[Too Much Fun]

couldn't get into DS9 (my username notwithstanding)

So why did you pick that name?

 

[Char Aznable]

Conversely with not understanding the "hardline" position of Old School fans, I find the reflexive need of some or most New School fans to push out the existing fanbase puzzling and troubling. I've seen it happen three times now, and the pattern of behavior was always the same: The Old School was "outdated", "cheesy", somehow substandard, and needing "new life" (read: the Nu Fanbase). If you weren't with the Nu Fan program lockstep you were "afraid of change", guilty of "nerd sense of entitlement", etc.

It's like when a new alpha male lion takes over a pride. Some Nu Fans seem to have the instinctive need to kill all the existing "cubs" and repopulate the pride with their own.

Yet, in pretty much every example I've seen, the ones who out and out hate the new movie typically fall under those categories. Of course, I'm sure people wouldn't get so defensive if the haters would quit taking swipes at NuTrek, particularly in threads that have nothing to do with it.

And Star Trek DID need new life if you wanted it to continue. That is an objective fact. I don't give a fuck whether one liked JJ's version of Trek or not, but it's clear that it needed something better than what Berman/Braga had been giving us the past few years. Thankfully, JJ delivered.

 

[SeerSGB]

I can watch TNG and repeatedly, and bout half of DS9. Voyager and Enterprise were hit and miss when they were in 1st run, and aside from a couple of storylines here and there, I've no really desire "get up to speed" with them. Thought the new movie was fun; didn't have the heart of the original series, but it was a fun little popcorn movie.

It isn't that I'm bored or done with 'Trek, I'm just waiting for 'Trek to wow me again. Destiny came close, really did, and it's a great novel series, but there's just nothing out there right now that makes me set up and make the effort to follow its storyline.

 

[BillJ]

Thought the new movie was fun; didn't have the heart of the original series, but it was a fun little popcorn movie.

My feeling on the movie was that they were so close... yet so far away on making a great Star Trek film. Trying to wrap the 'origin' story in with a 'Mad Man with a Doomsday Weapon' made the film feel cluttered and unbelievable 'in universe'. YMMV.

 

[darkwing_duck1]

Yet, in pretty much every example I've seen, the ones who out and out hate the new movie typically fall under those categories. Of course, I'm sure people wouldn't get so defensive if the haters would quit taking swipes at NuTrek, particularly in threads that have nothing to do with it.

Again, conversely, Old School fans wouldn't get so snarky if Nu Fans would stop taking every opportunity to bad mouth, dismiss and look down on the prior productions and their fans.

Two way street.

And Star Trek DID need new life if you wanted it to continue. That is an objective fact. I don't give a fuck whether one liked JJ's version of Trek or not, but it's clear that it needed something better than what Berman/Braga had been giving us the past few years. Thankfully, JJ delivered.

Did it HAVE to be done by "throwing the baby out with the bath water"? Berman and Braga needed to go a long time before they did, I agree. But the existing franchise wasn't given a chance to recover from their stupidity, despite the yeoman efforts of Manny Coto and the Reeves-Stevenses, who were FINALLY getting Enterprise to where it needed to be. They just needed time, either to continue Enterprise or to come up with something new. The problem was B&B, not Rodenberry Trek.

 

[Nero's Shadow]

About six years ago I lost intrest in star trek my bestfreind at the time who was a HUGE star trek fan passed away very suddenly it made me stop loving trek. Because my friend had friends and we were one big group of friends that could share the same interest and that was star trek. So skip a few years I always would raise a eyebrow to new trek shows and such things but it still reminded me of my friend and friends I lost. Then when I found out about a new film about the TOS crew I started to get hooked again I'm not saying it was down to mr jj but I thought u should never give up on your hobbies and try to overcome your fears. Star trek is now apart of my life again and I enjoy it more than Ever. ?

 

[Char Aznable]

Again, conversely, Old School fans wouldn't get so snarky if Nu Fans would stop taking every opportunity to bad mouth, dismiss and look down on the prior productions and their fans.

Fair enough point, but I don't see NuTrek fans bashing prior Trek efforts or their fans as often as I see the reverse. Hell, even older Trek fans back Prime Trek (mainly Voyager and Enterprise). Now, when I say something like, "TOS wasn't near as deep and thoughtful as some like to think," or, "PrimeTrek had just as many continuity issues and holes as NuTrek," I'm not trying to bring old Star Trek down to give the new a boost. I actually love all of Star Trek (well, save for Voyager, half of Enterprise, and some of the movies). What myself and others are trying to get across, however, is that some of the older fans tend to look at what they love with rose tinted goggles or they focus only on the points that annoy them while out and out refusing to give the film any credit whatsover, which is ridiculous (granted that second part doesn't reflect everyone who dislikes the new film, but I know for a fact that's how warped9feels).

Did it HAVE to be done by "throwing the baby out with the bath water"? Berman and Braga needed to go a long time before they did, I agree. But the existing franchise wasn't given a chance to recover from their stupidity, despite the yeoman efforts of Manny Coto and the Reeves-Stevenses, who were FINALLY getting Enterprise to where it needed to be. They just needed time, either to continue Enterprise or to come up with something new. The problem was B&B, not Rodenberry Trek.

If by, "throwing the baby out with the bath water," you mean changing the timeline, I suppose not. I'll concede it wasn't necessary, but they made it a point to acknowledge that the original timeline still exists. Granted, I'm not a continuity snob, so I don't care all that much personally.

I do agree with you that ENT got shafted hard, but that's simply a symptom of how horribly Berman and co. handled Enterprise right out the gate. Coto's excellent work at saving the show came too little too late. Today's television climate isn't about giving shows a chance sadly.

 

[Greg Cox]

Now, when I say something like, "TOS wasn't near as deep and thoughtful as some like to think," or, "PrimeTrek had just as many continuity issues and holes as NuTrek," I'm not trying to bring old Star Trek down to give the new a boost. I actually love all of Star Trek (well, save for Voyager, half of Enterprise, and some of the movies). What myself and others are trying to get across, however, is that some of the older fans tend to look at what they love with rose tinted goggles .

Well put. And I really wish we could past the idea that there are the stubborn old coots who only like the old shows and the callow young whippersnappers who don't appreciate Classic Trek. There are plenty of us lifelong Trekkies who have fond memories of TOS and still enjoyed the new movie's take on Kirk, Spock, etcetera, and want to see more of it.

But, yeah, it does sometimes seem like the diehard traditionalists are holding the new TREK to a much higher standard than they did the old continuity. I swear, the way some posters talk, you'd swear TOS was a weekly symposium on the Great Issues of the Day instead of a rollicking space opera full of action, space monsters, and exotic alien beauties . . . . just like the new movie.