Star Trek remastered- your opinions

[InklingStar]

Mike Okuda's link to the video showcasing the redone effects seems to have moved. This should be the same video.

I grew up (in the 1980s, mind you) watching the original Star Trek. I loved it then, and I love it now. The new effects and remastered image makes it seem like an all new show, to enjoy all over again.

 

[Kelso]

in The Naked Time (they added a visible beam to mr. Scott phaswering the bulkhead); they caught HELL from a lot of the fanbase. So I'm certain that colored their approach for later episodes they were still working on.

I find it hard to believe that enough people reacted negatively to this for it to make a difference to the TOS-R team. Can you back this up?

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

I for one enjoyed TOS-R (I even bough a frickin' HD-DVD player to get it). I don't understand people who complain about it. Why don't they just pretend it never happened and keep watching the DVDs.

There's no sane response to this, really. You're Absolutely Right(TM).

in The Naked Time (they added a visible beam to mr. Scott phaswering the bulkhead); they caught HELL from a lot of the fanbase. So I'm certain that colored their approach for later episodes they were still working on.

I find it hard to believe that enough people reacted negatively to this for it to make a difference to the TOS-R team. Can you back this up?

Really - "upsetting a lot of the fanbase" in regard to Trek Remastered and Abrams's movie seems to refer to three people at TrekBBS and this one guy over in the Trekmovie talkbacks.

 

[Nero's Shadow]

I've got all three seasons on blu ray and DVD and I have to say I love what they have done with TOSR is pretty god dam cool I love the enterprise more than ever now some episodes are better than others but it never stops the storytelling still as good as ever.

I liked also how you can decide on what SFX you want when watching each episode. I recently showed some episodes to a freind he loved how the new effects looked and was stunned on how the original effects looked dated.

One of my personal favs is seen Klingon ships and them using there weapons very cool indeed !!!!

 

[MANT!]

As I've stated before and again, the folks at CBS Digital tried to be respectful to the source material,and that respect shows in almost every shot, however, some action shots appeared forced, (Elan of Troyus had that Klingon battlecruiser make a totally impossible looking dodge just before it hit the Big E) or maybe time constraints made a better shot impossible to do in time..

I don't think it heralded the "End of The Universe" as some rather loud fandamentalists on the board have attested..nor did it kill Trek fandom, as others have predicted. In fact, it (and the 2009 movie) have brought many more folks INTO
Trek fandom..many of them are the young people who will continue to keep life into the franchise.


Is it perfect? No..but the Original wasn't either, I only hope that (in 20 years time or so) when any further remastering is done, the crew responsible would be just as respectful to the source material as CBS Digital tried to be..

 

[Destructor]

I have just finished the first season on blu-ray and I absolutely love watching the new show in HD, it's a whole new world. I enjoy the new effects inasmuch as they aid in the telling of the story in a way that the old effects often did not or could not. My gf on the other hand always makes me rewind and then run the effects shots again in the original form- so that she can laugh at how bad they are.

 

[Destructor]

Pity that they couldn't at least remaster DS9's "Trials and Tribble-ations" when they put it on the TOS set...

TNG/DS9/VOY are considerably harder to remaster than TOS because their editing and effects were added on video, at which point the 'high definition' of film had already been lost. To remake Trials and Tribble-ations would take an immense amount of work because it had such a large amount of special effects (which is ironic when it was this episode that, in some ways, inspired the remastered versions). There are a number of threads across the BBS that discuss this problem.

 

[UssGlenn]

One of the things that did disappoint me was the lack of laser bolts in one of my favourite episodes, "A Taste of Armageddon". Spock firing at the disentegration chamber could have looked spectacular. I'm sure they didn't add an effect at the time because the angle the director chose of spock would have been too difficult to animate. Just try and draw over the image yourself to create a realistic effect and you can see what I mean. I'm sure they genius' at CBD-D could have acheived this, but I guess it was a time crunch thing. Or was it?

This is one case where, not including a special effect was quite deliberate in both the original production and the remastered version. They are quite explicit in the episode that those are Sonic Disruptors, and thus logically the emissions would be invisible. The confusion arises because those props were later modified with a different emitter to become Klingon disruptors with visible beams. So the invisible beams in their original appearance is not a mistake.

 

[toonloon]

I have just finished the first season on blu-ray and I absolutely love watching the new show in HD, it's a whole new world. I enjoy the new effects inasmuch as they aid in the telling of the story in a way that the old effects often did not or could not.

I totally agree. There are very instances where I think the original effects work better. Some of the third season original close ups of the E looked fantastic and weren't reprinted to death so still looked quite fresh. I remember one of the camera angles in Tholian Web to be better in the original, but a apart from that, it's superb imaginative work. I was watching Bread & Circuses last night and I heard one of the characters mention the other planets in the system, and IMS you do see a couple of planets in the approach in TOS-R.

 

[toonloon]

This is one case where, not including a special effect was quite deliberate in both the original production and the remastered version. They are quite explicit in the episode that those are Sonic Disruptors, and thus logically the emissions would be invisible. The confusion arises because those props were later modified with a different emitter to become Klingon disruptors with visible beams. So the invisible beams in their original appearance is not a mistake.

Hmmm. I don't remember them saying the hand held guns were of a sonic nature. Are you sure? If so, you have my appologies, in that case I guess it makes sense. Still would have been cool to see a laser bolt fly along that corridor and hit the disentegrator.

 

[Captain Robert April]

Actually, we never saw a Klingon disruptor pistol fired in live action. We heard them being fired in "Errand of Mercy" but that was offscreen.

 

[Lieut. Arex]

Where Kirk called them phasers. Was there ever an onscreen designation of Klingon hand weapons as "disruptors"? The only ones I recall at the moment are the Gorn and Eminian ones.

 

[UssGlenn]

This is one case where, not including a special effect was quite deliberate in both the original production and the remastered version. They are quite explicit in the episode that those are Sonic Disruptors, and thus logically the emissions would be invisible. The confusion arises because those props were later modified with a different emitter to become Klingon disruptors with visible beams. So the invisible beams in their original appearance is not a mistake.

Hmmm. I don't remember them saying the hand held guns were of a sonic nature. Are you sure? If so, you have my appologies, in that case I guess it makes sense. Still would have been cool to see a laser bolt fly along that corridor and hit the disentegrator.

Technically I suppose it's implied. Since the Eminarans call both the planetary weapons and handheld weapons disruptors, and the Enterprise reports getting hit with sonic disruptors, there's really no other logical conclusion. Funny thing is, the fact that it makes no sense for a sonic weapon to work in space doesn't factor into this particular debate.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Pity that they couldn't at least remaster DS9's "Trials and Tribble-ations" when they put it on the TOS set...

TNG/DS9/VOY are considerably harder to remaster than TOS because their editing and effects were added on video

I am aware of that. But this was just ONE EPISODE we're talking about. Surely just doing "Trials..." and no other ep, couldn't have taken THAT long?

 

[Doug Otte]

Pity that they couldn't at least remaster DS9's "Trials and Tribble-ations" when they put it on the TOS set...

TNG/DS9/VOY are considerably harder to remaster than TOS because their editing and effects were added on video

I am aware of that. But this was just ONE EPISODE we're talking about. Surely just doing "Trials..." and no other ep, couldn't have taken THAT long?

It's the cost of it, not just the time. It wouldn't be feasible for them to fund the remastering of one episode; they'd need to balance the costs out over multiple episodes for it to be profitable.

Doug

 

[22 Stars]

Ya, CBS is in an interesting spot here. It has to be cost effective, yet they have to keep costs down. Doing TOS-R, they could offer a syndicated package to stations and recoup money that way, something you really couldn't do with fewer episodes. But to do all 179 TNG episodes, would be a massive undertaking, requireing at least two or three years of work I would say. It would take at least a year to just reassemble the episode footage from the 35mm masters. Then they have to decide if they just recomposite the current FX footage, or go for a full CGI Remaster like TOS.

 

[Destructor]

Ya, CBS is in an interesting spot here. It has to be cost effective, yet they have to keep costs down. Doing TOS-R, they could offer a syndicated package to stations and recoup money that way, something you really couldn't do with fewer episodes. But to do all 179 TNG episodes, would be a massive undertaking, requireing at least two or three years of work I would say. It would take at least a year to just reassemble the episode footage from the 35mm masters. Then they have to decide if they just recomposite the current FX footage, or go for a full CGI Remaster like TOS.

The TNG DVD sets are pretty big sellers, even today. It would open up a whole new market to release them on blu-ray, even if you take syndication out of the equation (which you probably wouldn't, since stations are all broadcasting in HD these days).

 

[MANT!]

Considering the "impossibility" of re-doing the TNG through Voy series for HD...

Remember recent history?

Though the project had been bandied around since the 1990s, it was considered "impossible" to re-do the effects of TOS due to technical limitations and cost.

As technology progressed, it became possible and cost effective, and was accomplished by CBS Digital..


I fully expect that all the series TNG through Voyager will be remastered as soon as technology and cost permits..

And I would bank on sooner rather than later..

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

It's the cost of it, not just the time. It wouldn't be feasible for them to fund the remastering of one episode; they'd need to balance the costs out over multiple episodes for it to be profitable.

But wouldn't it cost less to remaster one episode than several?

 

[Destructor]

It's the cost of it, not just the time. It wouldn't be feasible for them to fund the remastering of one episode; they'd need to balance the costs out over multiple episodes for it to be profitable.

But wouldn't it cost less to remaster one episode than several?

Yes, but you'd reduce costs on individual episodes by working on a scale. So two episodes would not be twice the cost of one, it's be the startup cost of one plus a little more, and so on.