Comparing origin stories. I'd contend that Tomb, Revenge, and Attack all have original things about the Cybermen in. But even if it were just The Tenth Planet, that's one more original story than the new show's managed. What do you want from them? We've got their origins, we know what they're about. D'you want a Voyager-style "what are the Borg up to this week?" every season to explain why their arms have changed?
No, I just want the stories featuring the Cybermen to be about the Cybermen. There's a reason why these monsters are compelling, there's a reason why they're scary, and it's because they are us, if we ever let technology go too far. That's what Cybermen stories should be about, and that's what the excellent Rise of the Cybermen/Age of Steel is about.
"Excellent"? The Cybusmen hearing a magic number and bursting into tears like a 12 year old emo at the back of an MCR concert? Wasn't a patch on The Tenth Planet, and if they do appear again, I doubt there'll be any more exploration of these themes of technology's potential dehumanization. Certainly none of that in The Next Doctor.
Really? Looked like it should be in the Blue Peter garden covered in bird shite to me. Which is nevertheless still an improvement over the ones in Victory.
I see that you didn't address my points.
The, between your avatar and that Cyberman, I'm gonna have some weird dreams tonight...
Sorry MJW. I imagine staring at the ghastly face of The Baker is getting old. I'll have to change the avatar soon... 
The two-parter did nothing that The Tenth Planet didn't convey twice as well, and that's been it as far as new Who goes with exploring technology and its relationship with people and so on. Old Who revisited the unique ideas of the Cybermen several times beyond the origin story in things like Tomb and Attack, whereas every other appearance of the Cybusmen has had them as even stupider space thugs than we had before. You're claiming we've had a deeper exploration of the potential ideas than we've had in new Who, whereas all we've had is zombified people trotting into Battersea Power Station and later literally crying their heads off.
Definitely. It makes think of what the original Tenth Planet Mondasians would look like realized in something like a Ridley Scott or Spielberg motion picture.
I mean, honestly, the new series brags about wanting to scare the kids. But, come on. What's actually been sincerely frightening? At the most it's a sanitized scare that will really only affect four-year-olds. In fact, Moffat was scarier with The Empty Child/Doctor Dances and Blink than anything he's done since taking over. I guess the BBC is scared of scaring people too much? Mary Whitehouse wins?
Sorry, side-rant.
You could replace the Cybermen with any other kind of monsters in Tomb and the only thing you would lose would be the Toberman scene, which isn't exactly the cornerstone of the plot. There is as much thematic meat in Attack as there is in The Next Doctor, i.e. vague scenes alluding to cyberconversion.
Nah, Bones, of course that's not "all we've had". I'm sure that kind of acerbic tirade is entertaining to write, but it's becoming boring to read.
Everything is the most ridiculous thing you've ever seen. I'll take that with a grain of salt.
Yeah, seriously.Seriously:
Yes, I am claiming that with a straight face. As I've said before, there's only two stories that did anything with the potential of the Cybermen: The Tenth Planet and Rise of the Cybermen/Age of Steel. I like the former but I think the latter is a much better story, better structured, better edited, better photographed, with better characters and performances, more emotionally engaging and more thought-provoking. You're free to disagree of course but at this point it has become very hard to take your overdramatic tirades against RTD stories seriously.
Yeah, remember I added that bit about budget and resources? Is your defence of those ridiculous carpets with masks really a picture from a show over 40 years earlier with a limited budget? And at least the Cybermats had a purpose and made sense.Yeah, seriously.
I very much disagree (in terms of story at least), but my view on that two-parter's quality makes no difference to the fact that it's based on previous ideas almost entirely nabbed from The Tenth Planet and Spare Parts. And RTD didn't write it, so it's got nothing to do with him. To claim that it's the potential of the Cybermen finally being realised by a terrific writer is clearly nonsense.
