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Does anyone find DS9 to be a bit of a yawn?

This thread's continued existence is a mark against the moderators.
Not to anyone in their right mind.

Exactly. No reason to close it. Yet, anyway. It's being watched though. A fact which should come as no surprise to anyone. :lol:

I'm amazed PKTrekGirl let the reponse to her last friendly go. I guess she didn't really mean it.

Oh...no worries. I meant every word I said. :) But simply put, there is no reason for me to write another advisory post regarding following the rules, etc. Two friendlies are sufficient to make clear to all what sort of behavior is required. :)
 
I just figured she hadn't been to the thread since... but I guess that's not the case.

Nope. Actually, I have been participating in the discussion - a few different times yesterday, in fact. Some of the discussion in this thread has been quite productive. :)

Probably some discussion in the mods-only area... :D

I'm pleased we were able to able to have some discussions in spite of it. Clearly some of us are awesome. :bolian:

I agree. Some of you ARE awesome. Yesterday in particular produced some very interesting discussion points. And I was quite pleased with everyone who posted, in that regard. Well done! :techman: Felt like it was 'back to normal' around here again.

However, we probably do not need to further digress into speculation as to what I might or might not do, what discussion is taking place in the BR, etc. Anyone who has any questions or concerns about that needs to PM me to discuss them. We need to keep the forum itself on the topic of DS9 - not moderator actions.

Thanks! :)
 
I liked DS9 early on...as a whole the series is good and entertaining...just not a priority in my Star Trek viewing...that goes to TNG & VOY respectively...then ENT, TOS and lastly DS9. :shrug:

Of course the various movies are mixed in...TNG movies foremost...I still haven't seen Star Trek(2009). :scream:
 
DS9 .. just not a priority in my Star Trek viewing...that goes to TNG & VOY respectively...then ENT, TOS and lastly DS9.

That's about where I stand at the moment. Though I may be assimilated.Disagreeing with DS9 fans is futile. ;)
 
Is it just me .. or does anyone else find DS9 a bit of a yawn? I mean .. they just sit there .. orbiting that wormhole .. day after day. They don't go anywhere .. much.

I love Star Trek .. I've downloaded every movie and TV series complete .. except for DS9. I AM downloading it now .. but just to complete the collection.

To me .. it seems like "Melrose Place" .. on a space station.

I want to "explore new worlds and go where no man has been before" .. not sit around on a rusty old Cardassion space station twiddling my thumbs.

Anyone else? :eek:

Yep.
 
To me .. it seems like "Melrose Place" .. on a space station.

I want to "explore new worlds and go where no man has been before" .. not sit around on a rusty old Cardassion space station twiddling my thumbs.

Anyone else? :eek:

Yep.

Well, of the 30 seasons of Trek (I'm including the two seasons of TAS) a full 20 are devoted to the "explore new worlds and go where no man has been before" concept. Also, the remaining 10 have more than their fair share of epsiodes devoted to it. I'd say that the only season which radically deviates from the idea is ENT Season 4 - as there's virtually no "exploring new worlds and civilizations" there. Even DS9's later seasons had some "exploring" episodes.

Variety is good. I'm glad DS9, and later ENT, got away from the "exploring" concept - it was really getting boring IMO.

Also, what's wrong with Melrose Place?! I liked that show, at least in its early seasons.
 
Variety is good. I'm glad DS9, and later ENT, got away from the "exploring" concept - it was really getting boring IMO.

Yes, variety is good. It gives you more options.

DS9 has deviated away from the core ethos of Star Trek. i.e "To go where etc etc"

Nothing wrong with having a sub series. It's just not high on the preference list for me .. at the moment! Things may change.
 
Okay, I'm a huge noob to this forum, and not sure how to make new paragraphs. (nm enabling javascript seemed to fix it.)

Deep Space Nine is so important that everything comes to it. ;) I thought most of the episodes of season 1 were too similar to scenarios we had seen on TNG. The main highlight in that season was its characters.

Characters on Deep Space Nine still visited new planets, discovered new aliens, etc. I wouldn't say they were stuck on a space station twiddling their thumbs either. I think it's more of a character driven show. To me, that doesn't necessarily mean it's a soap.

I also think Star Trek is more than just about exploring space; that's only its setting. It's also about tacking bigger issues like racism, war, etc. I don't find that Deep Space Nine is that different than the other Star Trek series.

Have you seen Stargate or Farscape? You might enjoy them a lot more than Deep Space Nine. You could always check out DS9 later when you have nothing else to watch.
 
Deep Space Nine is so important that everything comes to it. ;) I thought most of the episodes of season 1 were too similar to scenarios we had seen on TNG. The main highlight in that season was its characters.

Characters on Deep Space Nine still visited new planets, discovered new aliens, etc. I wouldn't say they were stuck on a space station twiddling their thumbs either. I think it's more of a character driven show. To me, that doesn't necessarily mean it's a soap.

A couple of things here.

I fully agree that season 1 was too much like TNG. I guess it makes sense, since TNG was a successful formula that seemed worth following at first...but once DS9 found it's own voice, it quickly strayed from the TNG path - IMO, the best 'fork in the road' Star Trek ever took. Much of the criticism leveled at Voyager, for example, is that it comes off as 'TNG-Lite'. Might it have been better if it followed a path toward it's own fully unique voice (as was promised in the original premise)? We will never know. But it's certainly a possibility.

I don't know - seems like a lot of TV viewers LIKE watching what is essentially the same story over and over and over and over and OVER. I mean, how many seasons was Law & Order on? :lol: And how many CSIs are there? - those stories are all the same - only the background scenery is different!

Stargate too, was a lot this way. I liked Stargate...but for as many seasons as that show was on, we really never learned all that much about even the main characters, outside of their work at SGC. Instead, we have an 'enemy of the season' as the background arc...and then many 'enemies of the week' as they explore all these planets. For the most part, fairly formulaic.

I'm glad DS9 went it's own way. And that someone in the Trek 'Verse had the guts to do a serialized show that took on something as ambitious as a multiple season-long arc that involved the entire AQ!

I'm also really glad that there was the level of character development that there was. By the end of this show, many of the secondary characters such as Dukat, Damar, Garak, Weyoun, Martok, Winn, and Nog ended up being more fully developed than many of the main characters on some of the other Trek shows! And for me, that is a huge plus, because you grow to really care about what happens to them. Much more so than some of the other Trek characters.
 
PKTrekGirl, you just summed up my reasons for loving DS9 in your brilliant, concise post. Thank you for that, I can't really think of anything to add.
 
No, I don't find DS9 to be boring at all. Unfortunately I never saw it from the beginning, I began watching from Season 4/5, so I was swept straight into the (imo) best part of the show.

Similarly when I bought the DVDs for myself, I started at S4, just because I'd heard how dull in comparison the first three seasons were. Perhaps because I had these expectations, when I finally did acquire them, I found them actually rather good. Sure there were some clunkers, but overall I didn't get the ennui I'd experienced with the first seasons of TNG. I think S1-3 of DS9 are relatively good, I think they just get a bad press in comparison to the latter seasons, which rightly are considered some of the best Trek.
 
No, I don't find DS9 to be boring at all.

I started at S4, just because I'd heard how dull in comparison the first three seasons were.

Make up your mind .. ;)

I have. I'm saying I'd heard Seasons 1-3 to be 'dull' so I started on S4. When I got round to watching S1 onward (ie had enough money and time to buy them on DVD :p) I found them great as well, just not as much as S4+
 
Actually, the greatness really hits in the middle of S2 w/Blood Oath followed by some pretty good stuff and culminating w/The Jem'Hadar

I'm not dissing Duet, stand alone its great...its an island in a sea of TNGness.

After Blood Oath is a bunch of really good Trek:
Maquis I II
The Wire
The Collaborator
Tribunal
(like The Collaborator, very under appreciated)
The Jem'Hadar
 
sometimes they take the soap opera stuff too far and it becomes distracting, but mostly it's cool.
A good example is Accession in season four. Boring, redundant shit that kills a good portion of the episode's power.
On the other hand, Indescretion of the same season was soap opera in space at its best. A family story, but with crashed Starships, Cardassians and Booushh the Bounty Hunter villains.
Sisko getting owned by his new Girlfriend, but she is a freighter captain (and the thing was well-written and funny).

One thing's for sure though: Those "soap" elements are an integral part of DS9 (and personally I think that's awesome)

If you found the first three seasons boring because of that, there's a good chance you will be just as annoyed later on.
 
LOL, I can't help but think what people call "the soap elements" is just Trek finally doing actual relationships and the dramas that take place within them. After a gazillion eps in the other series of "Beam down to the planet, things are not as they seem, phasers and diplomacy, warp away to the next planet.." the love life of Sisko, Jadzia, Worf, Kira's men disasters, Rom.. may feel like soap opera. But I think it's really just about the characters more than the mission. Real people have relationships.
 
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