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[Sheep]

I feel bad for James. They've really made him out to be the most hopeless and deficient man alive.

Agreed. James lost in another country because he doesn't know the language and can't read road signs or navigate convoluted streets = fine. James "lost" in the English countyside and being late for a staged wedding when he's supposed to be the responsible one = fail.

 

[HappyDayRiot]

Hammond explaining the wonder of marriage to the groom was comedy gold.

 

[Emher]

Great episode, but I gotta agree that the comparing the Camaro to the Merc made no sense. They're very different cars, in different ranges and quite a difference in price. No one who wants a muscle car will buy the Merc over the Camaro. And they brought up that the Merc drowned out the Camaro in noise level...that's because they drove the automatic which has stunted exhaust to hide the cylinder deactivation. If it was the manual it would have considerably more grunt to it.

Last thing I'm gonna say about that is the following: if they'd asked the audience which they would get, how many would have said the Merc? Seriously, it just looks like another Merc, while the Camaro looks good enough to math the Merc's price.

That being said, I agree with the lads that the Maserati is the worst car, but also the best car

 

[BigFoot]

^ Yeah the Rapide makes absolutely no sense. It's way too small to carry four people comfortable, so why not just get a DB9/DBS/Vantage. And while the Panamera is probably the best car out of the three, it's just so damn fugly. However, I wouldn't have the Quattroporte either. For some reason it just doesn't work for me.

Though to be honest, I'm not really the target demographic.

 

[Emher]

Yeah me neither I'd rather get a Camaro and a kickass wagon for that money and have loads of money over!

 

[BigFoot]

^ Exactly.

 

[Sheep]

Last thing I'm gonna say about that is the following: if they'd asked the audience which they would get, how many would have said the Merc?

If money were no object, I bet a large majority of the audience would've picked the Mercedes since it costs twice as much as the Camaro.

Actually I'd say that anyway since the audience is British and GM/Chevrolet aren't exactly hugely popular there.

 

[Bob The Skutter]

^GM are pretty popular in the form of Vauxhall, but as family cars. Chevrolet have only recently become available here when they took over the Daewoo range of cars.

 

[Emher]

Last thing I'm gonna say about that is the following: if they'd asked the audience which they would get, how many would have said the Merc?

If money were no object, I bet a large majority of the audience would've picked the Mercedes since it costs twice as much as the Camaro.

Actually I'd say that anyway since the audience is British and GM/Chevrolet aren't exactly hugely popular there.

That makes no sense to me. Why pick the more expenseive is money wasn't a problem. If money wasn't a problem, you pick the one that gets you going in a personal way. The Camaro is likelier to do that since it's not as anonamous as the Merc. Which I can't even remember what it was called.

 

[Iasius]

If money wasn't a problem, you pick the one that gets you going in a personal way. The Camaro is likelier to do that since it's not as anonamous as the Merc. Which I can't even remember what it was called.

I think it's pretty obvious that the Camaro would be your choice.

Mine certainly wouldn't be the Camaro, I think it's fugly, as is the current Ford Mustang. I didn't have to look up Mercedes E63 AMG either.

Now, the 60s Camaros ...

 

[The Squire of Gothos]

A two guest show, two loo/tea breaks during the show for me

The staging of the wedding seemed a little on the contrived side, but they made up for it by having some pretty damn fine cars on test.

I didn't like the Camaro review, putting it against the Merc in that test seemed a little out of balance too.

Still enjoyed the show though.

 

[CorporalClegg]

I also find it troubling that fucking Ron Weasley has the fastest time, and, according to Jezza, it might be that way for while.

There's just something not right with the world.

 

[Sheep]

I also find it troubling that fucking Ron Weasley has the fastest time, and, according to Jezza, it might be that way for while.

How long until that giant twat Simon Cowell shows up again?

That makes no sense to me. Why pick the more expenseive is money wasn't a problem. If money wasn't a problem, you pick the one that gets you going in a personal way. The Camaro is likelier to do that since it's not as anonamous as the Merc. Which I can't even remember what it was called.

The Camaro is just as faceless and impersonal as the Mercedes. Neither of these cars are hand-crafted vehicles (e.g., high-end Ferraris and other supercars) that can be considered anything but impersonal.

 

[FordSVT]

Sheep, I don't exactly think the Camaro could be considered by any sane person to be as anonymous as a Mercedes sedan, especially when you take into consideration they're extremely uncommon in Europe.

 

[Sheep]

Sheep, I don't exactly think the Camaro could be considered by any sane person to be as anonymous as a Mercedes sedan, especially when you take into consideration they're extremely uncommon in Europe.

Bottom line is that both cars are mass produced and available in large numbers. I'll give you the point about the Camaro not being as common in Europe, but you'll have a hard time convincing me that a mass produced car that's driven by a large number of people isn't faceless and anonymous. If you were talking about a rare car from decades ago the that people still drool over today because it's a marvel of engineering and/or design, then I'd buy your argument that it's less anonymous and more personal.

From my U.S.-centric perspective, saying the Camaro is less anonymous than the Mercedes is like saying your house that looks the same as every third or fourth house in the development that was built at the same time is special--it may be special to you which is a perfectly reasonable view to have, but it's certainly not unique.

 

[FordSVT]

I think you need to park a Toyota Camry beside an orange Camaro SS and get your eyes checked. Cars don't need to be hand-built in Italy with 3-4 digit yearly volumes in order to be desirable or have personalities. And cars that used to be anonymous and personality-free can gain a personality over time if enough people say it has one? So a 1965 Mustang that sold half a million copies is now a great car because people have deemed it so, while the 2011 is an anonymous, faceless appliance until when.... 2040? Your opinion is simply too absolute to have much merit.

You're basically saying that 99.9% of all the cars ever built are anonymous, faceless appliances and that only a Zonda or a Lambo or a Ferrari can claim to be unique. Astons wouldn't fit your definition either. Neither would most Porsches and a host of other performance cars many think are desirable. And just how unique is a Ferrari 360 in Los Angeles?

 

[Sheep]

I think you need to park a Toyota Camry beside an orange Camaro SS and get your eyes checked.

So you're comparing one impersonal car to another? Works for me. I don't need to get my eyes checked to have the opinion that the Camaro looks bloated and is ugly as sin.

You're basically saying that 99.9% of all the cars ever built are anonymous, faceless appliances and that only a Zonda or a Lambo or a Ferrari can claim to be unique.

Pretty much, although I wouldn't limit "unique" to supercars. The vast majority (perhaps not 99.9%) of cars ARE anonymous, faceless appliances that were engineered to meet a low price threshold, minimal safety standards and NOT inspire awe from gearheads (design by commitee and accountants should be a sin)--it's the nature of the auto industry. Innovative engineering or eye-catching design that makes you say "Holy crap, they really put some effort into making this a unique automobile that's fun to drive and is a total looker" are incredibly rare.

 

[Tomato]

Camaro is my car. Putting it up to a Merc just ain't right. Muscle cars are about a lack of reason. Everything should be screaming look at me!!, Look at me!!

 

[Ryan]

I feel bad for James. They've really made him out to be the most hopeless and deficient man alive.

I don't feel too bad for him. May's got an amazing life. Wealth, travel, goofing about in obscenely expensive cars, hell, he even got to be one of the rare few to get a ride in a U-2 to the edge of space.

 

[Chris_Johnston]

I just watched this show for the first time, and I'm instantly hooked!
It was Episode One of the current season, and the segment on the Reliant Robin had me both laughing hysterically and staring at the screen in horror when I realized that it wasn't a joke: People actually bought that thing!
How could any governing body even allow something so ridiculously unstable on the roads?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliant_Robin