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Is A New Star Trek TV Series Doomed Even More Because of Star Trek Xl?

Is A New Star Trek TV Series Doomed Even More Because of Star Trek Xl?


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Re: Is A New Star Trek TV Series Doomed Even More Because of Star Trek

If you believe Brent Spiner, then Moonves hates anything Sci Fi and is happy if he can get rid of it. Even business men have personal motivations that have nothing to do with financials.

Right... in this case since Enterprise was a financial liability then it was right for him to cancel it. If he's going to feed his pocket then you could bet it would happily stay on (Unless Les has some weird pattern of canceling highly successful shows that no one seems to be aware of.)
 
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Frankly, Moonves should be given some credit for giving ENT one last season to wrap things up. He could've just as easily pulled the plug at the end of the third season.
 
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^Yeah, the fourth season was the true valentine to the fans.
 
Re: Is A New Star Trek TV Series Doomed Even More Because of Star Trek

Fine... if anything there is a much stronger case to base a new series from something that has proven to be a strong financial and critical success than from a version of the franchise who has seen constantly diminishing results for the past 20 years such as declining ratings, financial failures, and increasing criticism.

Anything else? :)

Didn't think so.

Absolutely Right(TM)

The few folks who disliked Abrams's movie can make excuses, stick their fingers in their ears and hum Real Loud as much as they like - none of that has any impact on the fact that this movie is now the axis on which the Trek Franchise will revolve for a decade or more.

With a single successful move, Paramount has overcome their corporate anxiety over the response of Trek's hard core fan base to revision and "reimagining."

No future television producer is going to feel themselves beholden to pre-Abrams Star Trek in terms of deciding how to handle continuity issues with previous shows and movies, and they will be encouraged - if not required - by the people running the studio to rethink everything about Trek based on contemporary tastes, styles and the demands of the market when the show is made. They'll pick and choose the aspects of Trek that they find useful, and change the rest.

If CBS decides to make another Trek series, the first guy they'll try to make a deal with will be Abrams - in which case, they're just getting in line along with just about every studio and network in L.A. :lol:
 
Re: Is A New Star Trek TV Series Doomed Even More Because of Star Trek

Fine... if anything there is a much stronger case to base a new series from something that has proven to be a strong financial and critical success than from a version of the franchise who has seen constantly diminishing results for the past 20 years such as declining ratings, financial failures, and increasing criticism.

Anything else? :)

Didn't think so.

Absolutely Right(TM)

The few folks who disliked Abrams's movie can make excuses, stick their fingers in their ears and hum Real Loud as much as they like - none of that has any impact on the fact that this movie is now the axis on which the Trek Franchise will revolve for a decade or more.

With a single successful move, Paramount has overcome their corporate anxiety over the response of Trek's hard core fan base to revision and "reimagining."

No future television producer is going to feel themselves beholden to pre-Abrams Star Trek in terms of deciding how to handle continuity issues with previous shows and movies, and they will be encouraged - if not required - by the people running the studio to rethink everything about Trek based on contemporary tastes, styles and the demands of the market when the show is made. They'll pick and choose the aspects of Trek that they find useful, and change the rest.

If CBS decides to make another Trek series, the first guy they'll try to make a deal with will be Abrams - in which case, they're just getting in line along with just about every studio and network in L.A. :lol:




See, I agree w/ you. I just don’t think it is a good thing.

Most of us could talk about the quality of the reboot all day (and likely have a hundred different opinions on it), but the fact is JJA proved w/o a doubt that Star Trek COULD be profitable again. To my thinking that all but guarantees a new TV series out of CBS (probably set to release in tandem w/ whatever the “last” JJA Trek movie will be—most people assume 3). And you know what—I think I hate that thought.

So before I go any further—full disclosure. I wasn’t a fan of The Reboot.
And it’s not that I didn’t like it! I liked it a lot actually; It was fun and fast paced and exciting and I probably thought it was the best “space opera” sci-fi (if you can call it that) to come out in a few years. I own the Blue Ray! But it wasn’t Star Trek. Maybe I say that because I am the age where my first exposure to Trek was late TNG and the DS9/Voyager years, but I’ve seen TOS. I even LIKE TOS, for the most part anyway. And this movie just doesn’t fit into the Trek universe, no matter how many phasers and photon torpedoes and Romulans were written into it. To my mind (and I realize that many disagree) this movie was exactly what the studio wanted it to be: a summer blockbuster. A pretty, shiny, loud, explosion filled, sword-fighting movie-theater big-gulp of awesome—The Star Wars prequels, but w/o George Lucas throwing up CGI aliens and poorly thought out retcons all over it. And you know what—that’s enjoyable. But it isn’t Star Trek.

I know how I sound. I know I’m being sentimental. I admit it freely and part of me is kind of weirded out by it ‘cause I am usually the one saying “move on, it was cool while it lasted but times—and audiences—change and that old stuff doesn’t resonate like this new stuff does—sorry, but it’s true!” But here’s the thing (and I will actually get back to how this pertains to a possible future TV series), I don’t want to move on. And I (and everyone who feels similarly, even though I admit it is probably a small minority of the fanbase) is kind of SOL on that count.

They’ll make another TV series because assuming the next Star Trek movie is a success they will have effectively and profitably rebranded Star Trek for the current generation—but I liked the old brand. I liked the intellectual, big-idea science fiction that has been synonymous w/ trek since its inception. And that isn’t Trek XI. And make no mistake; any series WILL be set in the Trek XI universe. And they will necessarily erase the 24 seasons of television, and cannon history, (assuming the ENT cannon is still intact) that preceded it.

Sisko, Picard, Janeway, Far Point, the Caretaker, the Dominion War, the liberation and reconstruction of Bajor, Wolf-359, the Maquis rebellion, Species 8472 and the consequences of their war w/ the Borg. All gone. And I’m kind of not okay w/ it.

And you know what the worst part is? I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that I will still watch it, because I can be a fanboy sometimes and fans (myself most defiantly included) will do a lot of not-so-smart things for the objects of our interest. I’ll watch it and I’ll enjoy it, but I have a sinking feeling that Star Trek (the Star Trek I grew up w/ and loved) is dead. And that’s sad.
 
Re: Is A New Star Trek TV Series Doomed Even More Because of Star Trek

^ What St Jono said... I second...

Loved the movie, but sentimentally miss New Episodes from the Original Trek Universe...

One can only hope that TPTB will drift slightly back toward what came before, with the next couple of movies.

I don't expect it, or even want it, to be exactly like what - We thought We knew-, but at least be a bit more familiar..., more in line with what - We'd like to think We knew-.

Does that make sense to anybody but me???
 
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Does that make sense to anybody but me???

No, of course not. If your enjoyment of a movie is predicated on which non-existent, fictional "universe" it takes place in, then you're not using it for entertainment. You're using it for full-bore escapism.

Which would not make sense to very many people outside this forum.



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Re: Is A New Star Trek TV Series Doomed Even More Because of Star Trek

So before I go any further—full disclosure. I wasn’t a fan of The Reboot.
And it’s not that I didn’t like it! I liked it a lot actually; It was fun and fast paced and exciting and I probably thought it was the best “space opera” sci-fi (if you can call it that) to come out in a few years. I own the Blue Ray! But it wasn’t Star Trek. Maybe I say that because I am the age where my first exposure to Trek was late TNG and the DS9/Voyager years, but I’ve seen TOS. I even LIKE TOS, for the most part anyway. And this movie just doesn’t fit into the Trek universe, no matter how many phasers and photon torpedoes and Romulans were written into it. To my mind (and I realize that many disagree) this movie was exactly what the studio wanted it to be: a summer blockbuster. A pretty, shiny, loud, explosion filled, sword-fighting movie-theater big-gulp of awesome—The Star Wars prequels, but w/o George Lucas throwing up CGI aliens and poorly thought out retcons all over it. And you know what—that’s enjoyable. But it isn’t Star Trek.

Star Trek has all of these aspects, Star Trek has many aspects. It is Star Trek with nothing to say it isn't. Otherwise, "The Trouble With Tribbles" isn't Star Trek. And neither is "Yesterday's Enterprise" or something. There is no right or wrong Star Trek. Just Star Trek. This is Star Trek.
 
Re: Is A New Star Trek TV Series Doomed Even More Because of Star Trek

Sisko, Picard, Janeway, Far Point, the Caretaker, the Dominion War, the liberation and reconstruction of Bajor, Wolf-359, the Maquis rebellion, Species 8472 and the consequences of their war w/ the Borg. All gone.
But it's not all gone. None of it's gone. All that stuff still happened. That was the whole point of establishing Star Trek XI as taking place in an alternate reality. There are now two Star Trek universes (a third, if you include the Mirror universe). In the original universe, Romulus is gone and Spock has probably been declared missing and presumed dead, but otherwise nothing else has changed and life goes on there as before.
 
Re: Is A New Star Trek TV Series Doomed Even More Because of Star Trek

Sisko, Picard, Janeway, Far Point, the Caretaker, the Dominion War, the liberation and reconstruction of Bajor, Wolf-359, the Maquis rebellion, Species 8472 and the consequences of their war w/ the Borg. All gone.
But it's not all gone. None of it's gone. All that stuff still happened. That was the whole point of establishing Star Trek XI as taking place in an alternate reality. There are now two Star Trek universes (a third, if you include the Mirror universe). In the original universe, Romulus is gone and Spock has probably been declared missing and presumed dead, but otherwise nothing else has changed and life goes on there as before.

The point is that the chances of ever seeing that universe again, barring the novels and maybe comic books is virtually zero...
 
Re: Is A New Star Trek TV Series Doomed Even More Because of Star Trek

"Star Trek is back!" my aunt fanny. What we have for new Star Trek is stuck in areas considered non-canon. What's the fun in taking part in that when no one counts it?
 
Re: Is A New Star Trek TV Series Doomed Even More Because of Star Trek

It's a movie with the title "Star Trek". Not the same thing.

That's how it worked for 44 years, so yeah it is. :techman:

Still Star Trek, nothing else needs to be said about it.

Wrong. Try again.

Yes because the Trek universe is decided by....you?

He is absolutely right. Prepare to see even more of it over the next few years.
 
Re: Is A New Star Trek TV Series Doomed Even More Because of Star Trek

Well, technically, it is called Star Trek, yes. But then again, I mean, you know what it's like, don't you?

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Re: Is A New Star Trek TV Series Doomed Even More Because of Star Trek

Sisko, Picard, Janeway, Far Point, the Caretaker, the Dominion War, the liberation and reconstruction of Bajor, Wolf-359, the Maquis rebellion, Species 8472 and the consequences of their war w/ the Borg. All gone.
But it's not all gone. None of it's gone. All that stuff still happened. That was the whole point of establishing Star Trek XI as taking place in an alternate reality. There are now two Star Trek universes (a third, if you include the Mirror universe). In the original universe, Romulus is gone and Spock has probably been declared missing and presumed dead, but otherwise nothing else has changed and life goes on there as before.

The point is that the chances of ever seeing that universe again, barring the novels and maybe comic books is virtually zero...
There's no guarantee that either of the two universes will still be around in 10 or 12 years...
 
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