^Me too. Sisko goes to 'heaven' and Dukat goes to 'hell'. I could write a better ending in my sleep. Come to think of it, I probably have. 
The appeal of Sisko
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^Me too. Sisko goes to 'heaven' and Dukat goes to 'hell'. I could write a better ending in my sleep. Come to think of it, I probably have.
What do you think would be a better ending?
Dukat goes insane and spends the rest of his life in a prison/asylum. Sisko leaves Starfleet, marries Kasidy and lives out his life in peace on Bajor.
The problem is that I believe everybody originally expected that to happen in the first place, and when most fans of the show already predict this to occur before the final episode actually airs, it's not all that original.
But to each their own.
What I'd like to see is a new mini series or perhaps even a new full series that takes place 10-15 years after DS9 left off. Since Sisko originally said they could return him at anytime or place, they should start a small mini series involving him coming back, and somehow needing to get the old crew back together (Odo back from the Founders, perhaps even the founders helping, O'Brien back from Earth, Worf back from the Empire, etc.)
Sisko joining the Prophets was a nice bookend for the show. In Emissary, Sisko teaches the Prophets about linear time etc. In WYLB, Sisko joins the Prophets for them to teach him.
Yeah I've been think along these lines too. I kind of like the idea that the DS9 core crew of those years are in some way "special". Maybe just to the Prophets even?
If there ever was any live action follow up I want Captain Kira of the USS Opaka being hailed by DS9 because a new Orb has come through the wormhole for her attention.
Yeah I've been think along these lines too. I kind of like the idea that the DS9 core crew of those years are in some way "special". Maybe just to the Prophets even?
If there ever was any live action follow up I want Captain Kira of the USS Opaka being hailed by DS9 because a new Orb has come through the wormhole for her attention.
That would be a great idea very unlikely unfortunately.
Call me sentimental, but I like the classics. Bad guy goes insane, good guy lives happily ever after. I like it. To each his own.
If you haven't heard of him before this guy sfdebris does some hilarious reviews. He's also inteligent and insightful, often quoting literature. Like in his wrath of khan review.
But seeing as this is ds9 this reviewhighlights a lot of whats great about sisko.
http://www.youtube.com/user/sfdebris#p/u/7/bFD90iBvQWY
"well give me a moment to do a little negotiating with the Romulan ambassoder."
But seeing as this is ds9 this reviewhighlights a lot of whats great about sisko.
http://www.youtube.com/user/sfdebris#p/u/7/bFD90iBvQWY
"well give me a moment to do a little negotiating with the Romulan ambassoder."
One might say those two scenarios are the same thing.
Or would be, if the former did not happen in such a literal way...
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I don't think anybody else would've been interested in the ending I would want to see in a DS9 AU.
What if instead of losing his grip on reality when Ziyal died, he instead came to grips with it for the first time? What if he blamed himself and started to realize the depths of his sins? And what would happen if he got into the hands of the Bajorans? I think there'd be a lot of very serious debate over what is the just penalty when someone who has done such incredibly monstrous things as Dukat does has repented. I think too there would be debate over whether such a thing could ever be believed. And I think ultimately it would end with Dukat going to his death (I'm not sure if the Bajorans believe in the death penalty, but I imagine that for him an exception might be made). In the end I think the feeling of that moment would be much like the death of Sydney Carton at the end of A Tale of Two Cities. (And I should point out that the relationship between Carton and Darnay in that book is such that the two of them are pretty much the same person--just having made different decisions with their lives.) And from there the Bajorans would never have an answer: has this man begun his eternal torment, or does he finally have peace? And how to feel about having to forgive even someone like him?
(In a lot of ways I also mirror the story of St. Paul there--who was guilty of war crimes before his conversion, and really DID experience such an extreme shift in moral outlook. Some of the things Paul says about himself, and about that realization of what he had been, would probably inform a character like this.)
Oh well, though...I don't think anyone else would've been interested in that but me.
What if instead of losing his grip on reality when Ziyal died, he instead came to grips with it for the first time? What if he blamed himself and started to realize the depths of his sins? And what would happen if he got into the hands of the Bajorans? I think there'd be a lot of very serious debate over what is the just penalty when someone who has done such incredibly monstrous things as Dukat does has repented. I think too there would be debate over whether such a thing could ever be believed. And I think ultimately it would end with Dukat going to his death (I'm not sure if the Bajorans believe in the death penalty, but I imagine that for him an exception might be made). In the end I think the feeling of that moment would be much like the death of Sydney Carton at the end of A Tale of Two Cities. (And I should point out that the relationship between Carton and Darnay in that book is such that the two of them are pretty much the same person--just having made different decisions with their lives.) And from there the Bajorans would never have an answer: has this man begun his eternal torment, or does he finally have peace? And how to feel about having to forgive even someone like him?
(In a lot of ways I also mirror the story of St. Paul there--who was guilty of war crimes before his conversion, and really DID experience such an extreme shift in moral outlook. Some of the things Paul says about himself, and about that realization of what he had been, would probably inform a character like this.)
Oh well, though...I don't think anyone else would've been interested in that but me.
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Sisko is one of my favorite characters, he's actually one of the good guys and my favorite of the heroes.
Ithink your idea would be a good ending if done right. Although the trial couldn't be crammed into the last ending i think most of it would have to happen before.
I would. It would be far more interesting to watch than any of the other proposed endings (Dukat being 'gunned down', Dukat spending the rest of his time in an insane asylum, or the actual ending - Dukat falling into the 'Hell').
For the record, I would imagine that Bajorans would have death penalty - whether they had it before the Occupation or not, I imagine that the post-Occupation authorities would establish it, probably for war criminals including collaborators, and it they had already had it, they certainly wouldn't revoke it. But they'll have to revoke it when/if Bajor joins the Federation.
The conclusion to the Emissary storyline really needed to be handled separately from the Dominion War arc. The writers were undoubtedly faced with a logistical problem here: the desire for max ratings for the finale dictated that the Dominion war culminate in the show's last episode, while the desire to have Sisko join the prophets in the Celestial Temple (foreshadowed for quite some time and arguably since the series' pilot) prevented the writers from finishing the Emissary storyline earlier in the season.
In a perfect world, the Dominion war arc would have started earlier and ended, say, two or three episodes before the finale, and a final arc would have dealt with Sisko and Dukat's fate along with Bajor's entry into the Federation.
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umm, it's not always typecasting. I remember reading something years ago, about an actor named William Smith. he played a bad guy in several things and when asked about bein' typecast he said that he actually chose to play the bad guy parts 'cause they get paid better. maybe it's like, a choice that Alaimo made.
I wouldn't put Brooks on DS9 in umm, the same category as Shatner on TOS. "ham acting" as you put it. it just seemed to me that, at times, Brooks really didn't want to be there, didn't have his heart in it, and he was just there 'cause he was under contract. maybe there was somethin' goin' on in his life outside DS9 that had him distracted, or maybe he wasn't happy with some of the material he was given, I dunno.
like I said earlier, sometimes he did a heckuva job with Sisko. but when he was bad, he was really bad. and that's not somethin' that's unique to Brooks.
DS9 was still pretty damn cool.
oh, and I strongly disagree with any of the affirmative action crap.
ok, this time I'm sure I agree with you, flemm. I really like you're idea for ending the series. would've been much more interesting, and satisfying.
I've always felt WYLB was a rushed ending, a umm, flawed effort to tie things up nice and neatly.
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