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^ Nope, all the space dock footage was brand new. You never see the Enterprise move around in the space dock in TVH. Plus, TUC's space dock footage has a bluer tint to it.
Star Trek: Generations Review
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Some of that sequence was definitely reused footage from TVH.
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WRONG.
Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
Note: The markedly more blue-ish tones in the cap from TUC as well as the very obvious presence of Excelsior in the foreground of the screencap from TVH.
Because blue-filters and cropping of images didn't exsist in 1991? 
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The question isn't about cropping or "blue-filter"-ing, Trekker. The question is about whether or not footage was reused. Clearly in this case, even if the footage had been reused, it was markedly altered for the next film.
Well, I agree. I, for one, have little trouble with reusing footage. I don't think anything could've been gained by filming a whole new shot of the BoP being blown up. Now sure making it a BoP rather than new-class of Klingon vessel just so they could reuse the footage is a bit shady, but whatever you work on a budget you do what you can. I mean it's far worse to me how the TMP beauty-shots were re-used in TWOK esp. considering in TMP the pod docks in the primary-hull port and in the TWOK the pod docks at the same port but Kirk enters fromt he torpedo docking port. Both have very different looks on the outside of the ship.
The exit also has all of the same shots, including the guy "waving bye" but, pretty much, I don't care. Again, budgets and all.
As said above them reusing the BoP shot is peanuts compared to the real problems with this movie.
I'll agree that it's far from the movie's worst problem, but the reuse of the BOP explosion makes the producers of Generations look really cheap. The only part where the money shows on the screen is the Stellar Cartography scene, so the budget could have been allocated from almost anywhere else for a small model explosion.
Highlighted your comment above: That's EXACTLY my problem with the reused shot. Even if it was not the intent, but it looks like they wrote the scene with the BoP just so they could reuse the damn scene from TUC.
I also have no problem with reused footage. I have a problem when it's used in such a blatantly important scene like the destruction of the BoP in Generations. It may not have been the "climax" but it was definitely the start of the first major climax of the story.
Anyway, the death of Kirk is what totally winded the feel of the movie. I love TFF even though it has many similar problems, but TFF never depresses you with it's story. It's such an uplifting movie that I can't help but like it, even if some stuff in it was pretty bad.
Generation never does that. I'm supposed to feel happy because Spot is alive right after they killed the biggest hero of Trek.
This is like a Superman movie where Superman dies, but I'm supposed to be happy because Jimmy's brother survives. And these guys call themselves writers
. I may not be an expert writer, but I could have pulled a better story out of my ass.
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So write one.
I would except it would be pointless other than a personal project to show in general that an inexperienced writer could do better than them
SOME of the sequence, like approaching the doors, was filmed for TSFS. I don't give a rip about the differences in the frakking processing, some of the elements, maybe even most of the elements, were initially filmed for earlier films.
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Wrong again.
The spacedock doors seen in Star Trek VI:
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The spacedock doors as seen in Star Trek III:
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In other words, not the same footage. Clearly it's the same model of spacedock with the same spacedock doors... but it was also clearly re-shot for Star Trek VI as is undeniably evidenced by the mere obvious fact that the spacedock doors are open very early on during TUC whereas they were only opened at the last second by Scotty in TSFS.
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I would except it would be pointless other than a personal project to show in general that an inexperienced writer could do better than them
I guess I just don't understand the logic behind constantly bitching and complaining about the same faults of a sixteen year old movie when, if you could so easily "do better than them" you haven't done so.
Then again, the burden of proving that you could, in fact "do better than them" rests solely on you. And as you seem uninterested in providing any actual example of it, well, that makes it really hard to take your assertion seriously; on the contrary it just becomes easier to assume you are just another OCD die-hard Trekkie blowhard more obsessed with being right than anything else and simply because you say so.
Just a theory though. I myself would welcome the opportunity to read your script for Star Trek Generations, if and when it becomes available.
I would except it would be pointless other than a personal project to show in general that an inexperienced writer could do better than them
I guess I just don't understand the logic behind constantly bitching and complaining about the same faults of a sixteen year old movie when, if you could so easily "do better than them" you haven't done so.
Then again, the burden of proving that you could, in fact "do better than them" rests solely on you. And as you seem uninterested in providing any actual example of it, well, that makes it really hard to take your assertion seriously; on the contrary it just becomes easier to assume you are just another OCD die-hard Trekkie blowhard more obsessed with being right than anything else and simply because you say so.
Just a theory though. I myself would welcome the opportunity to read your script for Star Trek Generations, if and when it becomes available.
LOL. Ok then, well, I have a couple of ideas. Let me see if I can get a draft together. I may not have the time to write a full fledged story, but I can come up with a short script with some main points.
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Rock on! Like I said, I'd love to read it. 
