So they're going to un-nuke an island 30 years ago?
That's a little tough to do, even for a show like Lost.
Lost 6x11: "Happily Ever After"
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So they're going to un-nuke an island 30 years ago?
That's a little tough to do, even for a show like Lost.
Apparently, in this universe, there are other areas of electromagnetism in different parts of the world. Don't know if its powerful enough to do what is suggested, maybe the Island had the best concentration for that, but there it is anyway.
Another possibility is that they just simply find the Island. Since the Island does exist in the alternate universe (it was under water with Dharmaville on it) it is possible then that the Lighthouse Dharma station still exists in this alternate universe too. Therefore, perhaps they will use that to find where the Island is, obviously under water, and maybe they take a Sub and go down there to it.
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The reason Eloise knows something is wrong is..... young Eloise helped Jack and Sayid get the nuke. She did it all because she shot Daniel, found out he was her son (we saw this all at the end of S5), and wanted to change things.
So Eloise doesn't know squat about exactly WHAT is wrong, she just knows that things have changed period and she now has a son.... which is why she doesn't know EXACTLY what Desmond is trying to do but she wants it to stop.
Something else just occurred to me... whatever happened to Faraday's original diary? Did Jack/Sayid keep it or did young-Eloise keep it? The same notebook that had "Desmond is my constant" written in it?
So Eloise doesn't know squat about exactly WHAT is wrong, she just knows that things have changed period and she now has a son.... which is why she doesn't know EXACTLY what Desmond is trying to do but she wants it to stop.
Something else just occurred to me... whatever happened to Faraday's original diary? Did Jack/Sayid keep it or did young-Eloise keep it? The same notebook that had "Desmond is my constant" written in it?
Man what a fucking great episode! Not just that but what a great piece of science fiction on tv for a solid hour. Although if Eloise actually is the one responsible, all this to get her son back, I feel like we just saw something similar in another JJ Abrams show.
Eloise & Walter will be the sitcom spinoff of the two shows.
It's a good thing Sonya Walger is on an ABC show. Remember when CBS wouldn't let Nestor Carbonell do Lost while he was on Cane? I guess The CW (letting their Vampire Diaries stars appear on 24 and Lost), on the other hand, will take whatever publicity they can get.
I wonder if Locke's happiness will be what's sacrificed. Getting married, good relationship with dad in alternate universe... dead in the real one.
They have to speed things up with the alternate universe. How about when Jin brings Sun to the hospital emergency room (since Sun is pregnant Juliet will be one of the doctors), they pass by Locke who is getting treated by Jack, and Locke's dad is there for moral support. But James comes to the hospital to investigate the Sun shooting... and sees "Sawyer"!
It's a good thing Sonya Walger is on an ABC show. Remember when CBS wouldn't let Nestor Carbonell do Lost while he was on Cane? I guess The CW (letting their Vampire Diaries stars appear on 24 and Lost), on the other hand, will take whatever publicity they can get.
I wonder if Locke's happiness will be what's sacrificed. Getting married, good relationship with dad in alternate universe... dead in the real one.
They have to speed things up with the alternate universe. How about when Jin brings Sun to the hospital emergency room (since Sun is pregnant Juliet will be one of the doctors), they pass by Locke who is getting treated by Jack, and Locke's dad is there for moral support. But James comes to the hospital to investigate the Sun shooting... and sees "Sawyer"!
That was damned Excellent. Not quite as good as the Richard episode I think, but still hit in all the right places.
Penny and Desmond didn't share much screentime but I still needed reviving after their scene.
Penny and Desmond didn't share much screentime but I still needed reviving after their scene.
I can't believe I didn't think of this during the episode....
We've now seen Ben's "Magic Box"
Ben : What if I told you there was a box that could give you anything you wanted ?
I think that's how he phrased it, but yea.
Also the "Giant Hamster" well, it did have a big old wheel on the end of it.....
We've now seen Ben's "Magic Box"
Ben : What if I told you there was a box that could give you anything you wanted ?
I think that's how he phrased it, but yea.
Also the "Giant Hamster" well, it did have a big old wheel on the end of it.....
3.25/4 The opening five minutes had me intensely excited. But then I was intensely disappointed that Desmond spent 45 minutes in the alternate universe before he REALIZED it. What would have made this a four star episode was if he IMMEDIATELY knew he was in the wrong world and set about finding the people right away. What we had felt like filler. Still, wonderful to see Charlie and Penny and Hawking and Daniel again. I'm still pissed they killed him off he was a fascinating character with a great performance and line delivery from the actor.
I liked it quite a bit, however I wish we'd had a sideways flash with stakes like this 5-6 episodes ago.
I think Des not knowing he wasn't in the sideways 'verse is along the same lines as not knowing that your dreaming....
However in both cases one is given clues how this isn't what it seems to be, small things like Des knowing Claire will have a boy, the wine in Charles Widmore's office and so forth....
Things that tell you "Hey, this is a dream" once you do realize that it's a dream you can take control of it and change how it goes from that point forward....
In a nutshell Des now knows the sideways 'verse is like that and is now taking steps to change how it will turn out, heck he seems to be doing that in the normal 'verse as well, which is why he went with Syaid without arguments.
In other words Des has a plan, what that plan is and how it will save everyone from a "Fate worse then death" we don't know....
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I take it by that comment you don't think any additional questions were raised? I guess we see it different.
And as far as questions answered, it only seemed to confirm the long held theory that DANIEL'S plan to blow up the bomb that caused the alternate reality. Not exactly a big shock there.
I'm reading all these gushing reviews and I just don't get it. I really seriously don't get the love. That was mind numbingly boring last night.
So in the flash-sideways universe they all have what they wanted most. Was this MIB's way of getting off the Island? He entices them with having their fondest wish granted and in return they leave the Island which allows MIB to leave.
But once again we see that Man can't be happy in Paradise and struggles to escape. Would it have hurt to have gathered just a few laurel leaves?
Whatcha think?
But once again we see that Man can't be happy in Paradise and struggles to escape. Would it have hurt to have gathered just a few laurel leaves?
Whatcha think?
No, the point is exactly the opposite. Charlie points out to Desmond that while he may have convinced himself that's he's got everything he always wanted (approval from Widemore, Money, Great job, etc., etc.) that he's not really happy and what he really needs to be happy is what he gave up in order for the sideways reality cost him.....Penny. The key is whether or not he can be with Penny in the Sideways reality or whether that's the sacrifice Widemore is talking about........
If by paradise you refer to Adam and Eve, the point of the story is that their poor choice cost them their ability to stay in paradise........they had no conscious desire to leave paradise.
Well what struck me last night is that it's like we almost have 2 separate stories here. One about Jacob vs MIB, and one about the Island and timetravel/alternate universe stuff. So I'm interested to see how the writers are going to tie these two things together.
Or are they? Is it possible they're only coincidentally related and that we might get 2 different resolutions? 5 episodes and a finale to find out (at least I hope we find out).
My original theory was that the island folk had to die to get to the alt/reality. Now I think they have to die in the alt/reality to get back to the island reality, then have the big MiB showdown with the remaining candidates
The alt/reality was caused by the bomb. It is 'wrong' and our characters are figuring that out with 'bleedthrogh' that Charlie saw when he almost died, Desmond saw when he almost drowned (and in the MRI) and Daniel knows too, not to mention Eloise.
It all coming together! I think we'll see more characters in the alt/reality figure it out too (based on some spoilers I read)
I'd agree with a lot of that. But, I'd disagree with the dying part. Yeah, it sort of fits. But, I don't think the show will showcase a mass suicide as an answer to their problems! Also, the characters, the original versions no less, are already on the island. So, we don't need the alt characters getting back. They were never there, hence, don't need to go back.
I'm not sure the ultimate fate of the alt universe. I suspect that it'll just be as simple as the characters there need to find their true loves, and what else is important to them, just like we all have to do in real life. Figure that out and they're happy. Don't figure that out, and well, maybe live a life they regret. No different than the real world really.
There's also something missing from your theory. Eloise suggested to Desmond that he'd been given that which he craved the most. The approval of Charles, pretty much as a distraction from what he really wanted. That almost sounds like the alternate universe was custom made to fulfill certain needs. Maybe the bomb created the universe but Eloise tinkered with it's creation somehow? She has her own agenda for sure. She did get her sun back.
Mr Awe
I don't think the alt universe is wrong. They can live their lives there, basically continue on with no problem. They created this alt universe. But, it seems not to have had a bad impact on the island. It seems pretty irrelevant to the island. Essentially, both could go on living independantly with no problem.
From a story stand point, they've invested too much time to make the timeline cease to exist. The writers have worked to make us care about it. To me, that suggests that the efforts on the island will be to save the alt universe. Perhaps, if MiB escapes, that is where he will escape to?
Also, we've been thinking the alt universe is, well, alternative. It might not be. It might be the one and only, original universe, just modified. We've been assuming that if the islanders could get off the island that they'd go to the universe where 815 crashed. That universe may no longer exist. That makes the "alternative" universe even more important.
Perhaps the only pocket of the original universe that survives is the island within its protective magnetic field? The same fields that are keeping MiB in might have kept the timeline changes out.
Mr Awe
I could buy that as well. In fact, I like the idea that the island is the last remaining bubble of the original reality and the goal of this season will be to ensure that Flocke doesn't get off the island in order to maintain the alternate reality (aka : their happy ending) because if he does get off, it will cease to exist.
The problem with that theory, IMO, is that Daniel seemed to indicate that setting off the bomb was a mistake when he was talking to Desmond last night. But, perhaps I misinterpreted that scene and it was only meant to convey that Daniel was aware of the bomb being set off and now they must do everything they can to protect this alternate reality which may mean keeping Desmond from hooking back up with Penny.
I like this theory. The only thing "in-show" that would contradict it is the question of where Mr. Widmore came from? He arrived in the sub during Ben's episode, presumably after the bomb had been set off and our heroes were thrown back to the present on the Island. Unless he had been lurking around the Island in his sub since before the season 5 finale.
No, not opposite. We're saying the same thing.
If by paradise you refer to Adam and Eve, the point of the story is that their poor choice cost them their ability to stay in paradise........they had no conscious desire to leave paradise.[/QUOTE]By Paradise I mean where people believe they have everything they want and realize at some point that they really don't.
I don't think we've come to the place yet were these people are given their opportunity to make a choice and get their wishes. I thinking MIB will be giving them the choice. Which we've seen similar before with Dogen and Claire. But Dogen's twist was he could never see his son again.
Jack has his son, he's not drinking, he has his success. But the twist is he's divorced.
Sun and Jin are together again, but the twist is her father is keeping them from being married.
Hurley is lucky and his whole life has some together. We don't know his twist yet.
Desmond has his relationship with Widmore but minus Penny.
Locke has his dad and wife-to-be. Yet he still isn't happy with himself.
We could compile a list but it reminds me of the Twilight Zone episode where the Devil gives the guy eternal life and then gets him convicted of murder and a life sentence in jail.
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