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Why is ST09's altered timeline a problem?

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In regards to the thread's original question. The altered timeline isn't really a problem in of itself other than it's a tired and overused gimmick. But it is a cheap way to launch a reboot. They should have just started of with everyone aboard the Enterprise, possibly taking over from Pike, and then gone from there instead of mucking around with an improbable and ridiculous origin story.
 
They should have just started of with everyone aboard the Enterprise, possibly taking over from Pike, and then gone from there instead of mucking around with an improbable and ridiculous origin story.
In what way would that have been preferable? By showing these characters meeting for the first time, we are witnessing a significant moment, something exciting and memorable, something we've never seen before. Had we had the full crew on board at the start of the movie, it would have felt like one more Star Trek episode, no different from what we've seen dozens of times before.
 
^^ Not if it was a well written and interesting story that the characters were involved in.

Oh, on the other hand asking that of these writers would have been asking a lot.
 
^^ Not if it was a well written and interesting story that the characters were involved in.
That just doesn't cut it when you're trying to breathe new life into a franchise that has become so stale, so trite and so absurdly self-referential that people are running from it like scared cats from rising water. Star Trek had become a joke, it had become a laughing-stock, a television fossil, untouched by the evolution of the medium.

When that happens, you can't expect people to give you a second chance just because you happen to be full of good intentions, to know your Star Trek canon through and through and to assure them that this time, the script really is terrific. Quality, by itself, can't overcome the stigma. Abrams & Co had to bring something new to the table, they had to give the appearance that this was not just one more Star Trek film, that this was something unique and remarkable. An origin story, something we had never seen before in Star Trek, ticks all the right boxes. And it worked.

And now that the stench has been taken care of, now that the negative connotations that were sticking to Star Trek like barnacles to a ship's hull have disappeared, now it's time to tell straight Star Trek stories like the ones you have in mind.

Oh, on the other hand asking that of these writers would have been asking a lot.
As a rule, writers can't bring you back your childhood.
 
Didn't I say way back on page 1 of this thread that no matter what approach the writers took they would have been criticized for it? In that light, it boggles my mind that people continue to say "They should have done x!" as an overall approach when -no- overall approach would have been less prone to criticism than any other.

Now, when someone offers an option that really is criticism-resistant (I won't hold my breath) I'll be impressed and acknowledge that the writers may have erred, as opposed to taking the path that they felt would please the broadest audience possible.

Given Star Trek's box office returns and such, I doubt they're having any trouble sleeping at night over this.
 
By showing these characters meeting for the first time, we are witnessing a significant moment, something exciting and memorable, something we've never seen before.
But it's not how they met up; it as some alternate universe take on it. It would've been 'exciting' and 'significant' had it been a prequel and had it been how the characters we know and love actually met up.
 
What's bad about the alternate timeline:

Because I have absolutely no interest in following an alternative time line, especially one where Kirk is a dick.

I want to see the main, true timeline, and no others. For a quick one time visit, especially with the characters of the main timeline, sure, but to play entire stories in it with the main true timeline being essentially tossed aside as no longer important:

Nope, no interest, not even a little bit.
 
By showing these characters meeting for the first time, we are witnessing a significant moment, something exciting and memorable, something we've never seen before.
But it's not how they met up; it as some alternate universe take on it. It would've been 'exciting' and 'significant' had it been a prequel and had it been how the characters we know and love actually met up.

:bolian:That's a story I would love to see as well. I know there have been novels written about how the original crew came together, but they're not "canon" because that story has never been seen "on screen". I was really looking forward to seeing the origins of the Enterprise crew that I have been a fan of for so many years. Unfortunately, that's not what I got. And given the film's popularity, I suspect that how the original crew found themselves aboard the original Enterprise will be a question left forever unanswered.:(
 
By showing these characters meeting for the first time, we are witnessing a significant moment, something exciting and memorable, something we've never seen before.
But it's not how they met up; it as some alternate universe take on it. It would've been 'exciting' and 'significant' had it been a prequel and had it been how the characters we know and love actually met up.

:bolian:That's a story I would love to see as well. I know there have been novels written about how the original crew came together, but they're not "canon" because that story has never been seen "on screen". I was really looking forward to seeing the origins of the Enterprise crew that I have been a fan of for so many years. Unfortunately, that's not what I got. And given the film's popularity, I suspect that how the original crew found themselves aboard the original Enterprise will be a question left forever unanswered.:(

Setting an origin story in the universe we are all familiar with would be a creative dead-end in and of itself.
 
But it's not how they met up; it as some alternate universe take on it. It would've been 'exciting' and 'significant' had it been a prequel and had it been how the characters we know and love actually met up.

:bolian:That's a story I would love to see as well. I know there have been novels written about how the original crew came together, but they're not "canon" because that story has never been seen "on screen". I was really looking forward to seeing the origins of the Enterprise crew that I have been a fan of for so many years. Unfortunately, that's not what I got. And given the film's popularity, I suspect that how the original crew found themselves aboard the original Enterprise will be a question left forever unanswered.:(

Setting an origin story in the universe we are all familiar with would be a creative dead-end in and of itself.

Yeah. That's what I hear all the time. And that's your opinion and that's fine. I feel otherwise. There are plenty of untold stories that can be explored prior to the original series. And even some that could fill in gaps between episodes.

One idea I had many years ago was to explore the actual origin of the Enterprise herself under her first captain, Robert April (I know, not canon, but generally accepted nonetheless). But that will probably never happen.
 
The altered timeline isn't really a problem in of itself other than it's a tired and overused gimmick. But it is a cheap way to launch a reboot.
It's not an altered timeline - it's a different universe/reality. Altered timelines that are reset right back are tired and overused, on Trek and elsewhere. But thankfully that's not going to happen in this case - which is a rare situation. I can't think of any other examples of a timeline that is changed and stays changed, or a story that jumps realities and doesn't jump right back. Maybe what they're doing on Lost this season is a variation of one of those ideas but what other TV or movie series has done it?
They should have just started of with everyone aboard the Enterprise, possibly taking over from Pike, and then gone from there
If you're sticking to the original timeline, you run smack into the foregone-conclusion problem. None of the characters can die, or do anything major - get married, quit Starfleet - that would have been a factor in the original timeline. They'll end up having to do fill-in-the-blank stories covering only trivialities. Why would any writers want to put themselves into a straightjacket like that, when there was another way out?

Yeah, but Smith wasn't an impersonation - she...was...Kirk! :lol:

Hers and Shatner's performance are what saves that lackluster episode. As the trapped Kirk, Smith really took on a few of Shatner's mannerisms.

I think Smith is still my favorite of all the actors who have played Kirk. :bolian: Shatner's performance as a "hysterical woman" was also entertaining, for somewhat different reasons. ;)
 
I want to see the main, true timeline, and no others.
To which "main, true timeline" are you referring? Before or after it was changed by:
- Tomorrow is Yesterday
- STIV: The Voyage Home
- Yesterday's Enterprise
- Trials and Tribble-ations
- Little Green Men
- numerous other episodes and movies which employed time travel and changed history

Or the timeline in WNMHGB and The Cage, both pilots, but on screen and therefore canon? Endless arguments could be made in favor of any one of those being the "main, true timeline".
 
I want to see the main, true timeline, and no others.
To which "main, true timeline" are you referring? Before or after it was changed by:
- Tomorrow is Yesterday
- STIV: The Voyage Home
- Yesterday's Enterprise
- Trials and Tribble-ations
- Little Green Men
- numerous other episodes and movies which employed time travel and changed history

No change anywhere.

Or the timeline in WNMHGB and The Cage, both pilots, but on screen and therefore canon? Endless arguments could be made in favor of any one of those being the "main, true timeline".

No difference, is the same timeline.
 
How about Yesteryear?
Timeline 1( The one Spock starts in): I'Chaya lives to ripe old age

Timeline 2: Spock dies as a child

Timeline 3 ( the one Spock returns to): I'Chaya dies whe Spock is a child.
 
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