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What if Enterprise D never crashed?

gianderosa1990

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I just watched Star Trek: Generations and was thinking that the destruction of the Enterprise D was a complete waste. Such a fine ship reduced to nothing after all it had been through and through much worse situations.

I was wondering if the ship would have remained flagship and if the existing crew would have remained on the Galaxy class instead of transferring to the newer Sovereign class. What kind of upgrades would there be?

What do you guys think?
 
Why would Picard transfer to a new ship right after Kirk told him not to take it away from him?

Bio-Gel packs comes to mind.

I agree it was a complete waste of time. They could have it refit. It looked good in the movie so I thought it was movie-worthy to begin with.
 
If the D never crashed then we would never have gotten the better looking E. I know many people like the D but it never looked believable to me.
 
The senior staff would likely have all stayed on the D, since they had developed such a close connection with each other. The Enterprise itself would likely have remained the flagship through frequent upgrades, and because of tradition.
 
I'm with you, I never understood why they crashed D. It was not necessary for the plot.
 
The E grew on me, but IMO, the D was just as much of a character as the cast, and her destruction in Generations, though admittedly one of my favorite sequences in the movie, seemed disrespectful of her, especially given the reasons for it behind the scenes. Refit her if you want to have an excuse to change the sets and design of the ship to a more 'cinematic' look, but she shouldn't have been destroyed, and certainly NOT by an out-of-service Bird of Prey.
 
It makes perfect sense. Trash the D and then you get to sell more toys and models with newer costumes and ship designs.

Story wise it made no sense whatsoever.
 
I lot of people don't even remember it crashing.
DUDE:
Whatever happened to the Enterprise-D?

ANOTHER DUDE:
Dude, it crashed at the end of Generations.

DUDE:
Yeeeeah. I completely forgot about that.
 
Well, I'd have one less reason to be pissed at Picard for not choosing to leave the Nexus, at a time prior to this whole Soren crap starting, in the first place. I mean, you have a free time travel ticket, dipshit. Why not save the other star systems, he's already destroyed?

I have a hard time believing Picard would be that stupid
 
Well, I'd have one less reason to be pissed at Picard for not choosing to leave the Nexus, at a time prior to this whole Soren crap starting, in the first place. I mean, you have a free time travel ticket, dipshit. Why not save the other star systems, he's already destroyed?

I have a hard time believing Picard would be that stupid

I agree, Generations as a film was far too weak. I think they could have ended the TV series with the Generations story line. I'm not a massive fan of "all Good things come to an end" really. And Picard wasn't stupid the writers were :lol:

I do like the design of the Enterprise E, but the interior seems a bit robotic and cold compared to the luxury liner of the Galaxy class Enterprise.
 
I'm with you, I never understood why they crashed D. It was not necessary for the plot.
I think there was some kind of mentality that the Enterprise-D wasn't really made for the big screen (too tall or something) and a longer and shorter ship would look more "kewl." I don't particularly agree with that idea myself, but the more I think about who was running Trek at the time, the more I realize that we were going to get a new ship no matter what happened in Generations.

I think I was more devastated by the loss of the Enterprise-D than I was by the death of Kirk (and I say this as someone who is a big fan of Shatner's Kirk). I would have much preferred if the ship had been badly damaged to point she was dead in space and then given a major refit and partial redesign for First Contact.

Subsequent Galaxy-class ships seen in DS9 have suggested no real major design changes in the years since the loss of the Enterprise-D, although some ships appear to have additional phaser arrays on their warp nacelles. I think aside from maybe some interior cosmetic changes (like the bridge module in Generations), most of the improvements with the Galaxy-class probably lay more in the areas of performance and operational abilities (for example, I could see current Galaxy-class ships being several fractional warp factors faster than the Enterprise-D was and having better shields and weapons).
 
Anyone here ever played Star Trek: Generations? One of the endings for the game is where the Ent-D survived after emerging victorious from battling Soran's fleet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZ5seuaG2JE

I'd imagine the Ent-D to be refitted to become a much more capable warship, and would most likely seen a lot of action during the Dominion as a lot of other Galaxy classes did.
 
I probably would have cared more when they tried to self-destruct during First Contact. As cool as it looked, I could never bring myself to care about the Enterprise-E.
 
Nothing would have changed, at all. We'd still have the D instead of the greatly superior E, and that's really about it. Maybe some upgrades that don't really amount to more than "better performance" but that's probably it.

And personally, I never did get the "the ship is a character" mentality. I mean, I LIKE the Galaxy-class, but the Ent-D crashing in and of itself didn't really mean anything more to me than a nameless Galaxy going down in the Dominion War.
 
I think I was more devastated by the loss of the Enterprise-D than I was by the death of Kirk (and I say this as someone who is a big fan of Shatner's Kirk). I would have much preferred if the ship had been badly damaged to point she was dead in space and then given a major refit and partial redesign for First Contact.
I was, too. The D was the ship we'd been with for 7 years, and, it looked fucking great on the big screen. Except for the ridiculously dark lighting in some scenes. That was the Enterprise many had grown up with.
Kirk's death had less impact because Kirk's presence in the film was too ridiculous for it to fully register. His death on the Ent-B had some impact to it.
But the two losses are simiar in the respect that they are both a bit callous, sudden, and are stupid, atrocious moments in the movie.
There was Wil Riker, the best pilot on the ship, 10 feet away from the helm. But in a moment of real crisis, he puts Troi, with all of 6 months experience, at the helm, and she's too slow to make the corrections fast enough. Or put Data on the helm and let Troi take the Ops panel.
Generations pisses me off, because they did have some good story material to work with. The metaphor of the Nexus being an ultimately hollow, addictive place, and Soran being driven to self-destructiveness to get back there, had some good potential.
There is a lot I like in the TNG films, but they never connected and followed through like the better TNG episodes did. The Enterprise-D crashing is the same problem there is with STXI: cramming stuff into a story without it making sense. Why the D didn't just modulate its shields, return fire, and pulverize that BoP - because someone wanted to crash-land the saucer. Who cares whether it makes sense. It was a shitty way to lose a ship called Enterprise.
 
I just watched Star Trek: Generations and was thinking that the destruction of the Enterprise D was a complete waste. Such a fine ship reduced to nothing after all it had been through and through much worse situations.

I was wondering if the ship would have remained flagship and if the existing crew would have remained on the Galaxy class instead of transferring to the newer Sovereign class. What kind of upgrades would there be?

What do you guys think?

I disagree. If it wasn't for the descruction of this ship, we would of never seen the Big E. The Enterprise D was a great ship, but everntually things do need to change. We had the destruction of the original Enterprise, so why not this one?
 
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