That sums up Star Trek fans pretty well. "I hated that movie! It was awful! I refuse to watch it more than eleven times!"
Any other TOSers give up post-Abrams?
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That sums up Star Trek fans pretty well. "I hated that movie! It was awful! I refuse to watch it more than eleven times!"
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That sums up Star Trek fans pretty well. "I hated that movie! It was awful! I refuse to watch it more than eleven times!"
Guinan: "Well, it looks to me like he hates it."
Data: "Yes, that is it exactly. I hate this. It is revolting!"
Guinan: "More?"
Data: "Please."
Although, the other 9 times are various friends wanting to watch the movie, or me watching it to see if I've changed my opinion on it.
He was funny. And he was incredibly smart--and that's on a board packed to the gills with very smart people. He threw around terms like "fucktard" a little too freely, fo' sho', but he had real insights, even if you didn't agree with him (and I often didn't). He was a lot like Dennis (at Mr. Bailey:
), only on the other side of most things Trek and without the patience to artfully veil his insults in ways that (mostly) avoid being warnable.As far as brutality is concerned, I much prefer to keep things civil, despite my nom de board. But The God Thing was one of a kind.
TGT and I were initially rather friendly. What finally bothered me to the point that I stopped liking him at all and would not be civil with him was his thoroughgoing and deeply serious anti-semitism. He had been encouraged by his parents to hate jews, had given it a lot of thought, done "research" to support his bigotry and was thoroughly satisfied to be so and to express it freely (if somewhat obliquely outside of TNZ). There was not a thing funny about that.
I often feared that was the case with the guy but, staying out of TNZ because I didn't need the tsuris, I could never really nail it down. Suffice it to say, your post makes me very sad.
We are in perfect agreement, then. But then--as I've observed many times before--we usually are when it comes to the stuff that really matters (unlike, say, the finer points of our unhealthy obsession with a damned good, silly SF show from the late 1960s). It's almost a pity that I avoid TNZ, since I imagine it would be much like the hypothetical "other reality" the Romulan Commander alludes to in "Balance of Terror" and Melvarrr alludes to in "Where No Fan Has Gone Before."
We are in perfect agreement, then. But then--as I've observed many times before--we usually are when it comes to the stuff that really matters (unlike, say, the finer points of our unhealthy obsession with a damned good, silly SF show from the late 1960s). It's almost a pity that I avoid TNZ, since I imagine it would be much like the hypothetical "other reality" the Romulan Commander alludes to in "Balance of Terror" and Melvarrr alludes to in "Where No Fan Has Gone Before."
It's almost a pity that I avoid TNZ, since I imagine it would be much like the hypothetical "other reality" the Romulan Commander alludes to in "Balance of Terror" and Melvarrr alludes to in "Where No Fan Has Gone Before."
Well, it's not exactly the Mirror Universe; I'm an arrogant asshole in there, too. Just more profane.
Ummm... spoiler alert please.It's almost a pity that I avoid TNZ, since I imagine it would be much like the hypothetical "other reality" the Romulan Commander alludes to in "Balance of Terror" and Melvarrr alludes to in "Where No Fan Has Gone Before."
Well, it's not exactly the Mirror Universe; I'm an arrogant asshole in there, too. Just more profane.
I could never tell if he was joking or not. Apparently not.
I knew someone almost identically motived IRL - there was a deep anger inculcated by parents who emigrated from a European country after WWII and who held the jewish citizenry of their nation responsible for "collaboration with the Soviets" and the subsequent eastern bloc domination of their country.
Call me naive, but how very odd to find a bigot on a forum about Star Trek.
I remember some internet outrage about a homosexual being cast as Magneto, which is quite the head-scratcher when you consider what X-Men was partly about.
Some Trekkies here can't stand anyone who has a differing opinion on what Star Trek is or isn't, so bigotry shouldn't come as a surprise.
Yep, folks watch Trek for all sorts of reason. I think TGT was atrracted to the science aspects. He also hated actors. Lord knows what he thought of Shatner and Nimoy. ( Well actually a search could tell us. )
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Yeah, you don't have to agree with the philosophy to enjoy the series. Lots of bigots and a-holes love Star Trek.
Had to wonder how he rationalized his anti-semitism with his pro-science stance.
Oh, racism is very scientific - just ask any Nazi. The Reich's policies were founded in the "scientific" eugenics movement, you know.
(For the sarcasm-deaf, I don't believe any of that. Thank you)
Every kind of person is likely to be a Trek fan - the notion that we're in any way more ethical, more openminded or smarter as a group than the population at large is foolish self-flattery.
(For the sarcasm-deaf, I don't believe any of that. Thank you)
Every kind of person is likely to be a Trek fan - the notion that we're in any way more ethical, more openminded or smarter as a group than the population at large is foolish self-flattery.
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He was funny. And he was incredibly smart--and that's on a board packed to the gills with very smart people. He threw around terms like "fucktard" a little too freely, fo' sho', but he had real insights, even if you didn't agree with him (and I often didn't). He was a lot like Dennis (at Mr. Bailey:
As far as brutality is concerned, I much prefer to keep things civil, despite my nom de board. But The God Thing was one of a kind.
The antisemitism notwithstanding these are the people I typically find the most interesting on forums; the sort that intimidate others with notions like "I'm scary because I can insult you with a sentence that includes the word redoubtable." It is especially entertaining when such people are really opinionated (like I am.) It makes for an interesting debate and, when done properly, can be a lot of fun for other people to read.
Then there's Anwar and the Voyager forum.
-Withers-
No doubt Einstein and other Jewish scientists stole their ideas from good Aryans.
I love all ST series, but TOS will always be my favorite. With TOS films, they really hit their stride IMHO with the Meyer/Bennett/Nimoy team. I feel we have the same thing with Abrams and his team and can't wait for the next film! As much as I loved TNG, Berman and company didn't make very good theatrical films. They may have all had nice individual moments, but the TNG films didn't stack up to TOS films.
For me TOS towers over all other Treks but Abrams-Trek has revived the franchise in a way I never believed possible and is possibly the best blockbuster of the decade (And I've really hated the vast majority of 'em).
I can relate to being in the minority of people that hate the updated Trek, I personally found TNG unbelievably boring and inaccessible.
I can relate to being in the minority of people that hate the updated Trek, I personally found TNG unbelievably boring and inaccessible.
Wow. Thirty pages responding to my intitial post. I didn't mean to set off a fire storm.
There's a lot of blame and name-calling here, and intellectualizing. I just meant that, for me, I do no longer feel engaged. I do not care what happens from now on. For me, all of "Star Trek" is done, finished, complete.
Disagree until the cows come home, but you cannot argue with my honest emotions. I honestly wish I could go on caring. Meanwhile, I'm very glad that a new bunch of fans is excited.
There's a lot of blame and name-calling here, and intellectualizing. I just meant that, for me, I do no longer feel engaged. I do not care what happens from now on. For me, all of "Star Trek" is done, finished, complete.
Disagree until the cows come home, but you cannot argue with my honest emotions. I honestly wish I could go on caring. Meanwhile, I'm very glad that a new bunch of fans is excited.
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