Any other TOSers give up post-Abrams?

[KeepOnTrekking]

I see this alternate timeline in ST XI just as I regarded all those stories set in the mirror universe. It's different. It's not meant to have the same values as the prime universe. Enjoy it for what it is. I'm glad it brought ST back into production. Personally, I still prefer the prime universe. I'll survive.

As for the nuTrek universe...
Nero's arrival could have set off a number of changes which caused:

Chekov's parents to have sex more often and conceive Chekov earlier in this timeiline.

the Delta Vega mining company to have budget problems and put their mining set up on a planet much closer to Vulcan than in the prime universe.

Jim Kirk could have lost his father and caused him to be more of a wisecracking smartass than in the prime universe where he had his dad around and was portrayed more like Hornblower trying to live up to his legend. Kirk became more confident (and smartalecky) in the prime universe with the constant support of Spock and McCoy to bounce ideas off of.

I could go on but the point's been made. If there's one thing that upset me about the prime universe, it was the destruction of Romulus. I have such high hopes about Spock eventually reuniting Vulcan and Romulus after "Unification." I just hope it happened before it blew up. But I'll survive.

 

[Warped9]

^^ You see I don't have that problem. Because I don't accept what they're suggesting as the Prime universe. For me their Prime is just another alternate continuity and not TOS.

.I could see this as a more logical followup to the ENT universe than TOS being connected to ENT, which it isn't.

Seeing it a second time it wasn't quite as horrible as the first time, but I still disliked it. If it was its own thing then it wouldn't rankle me so much. But it uses TOS as a reference point and although it works for others it just doesn't work for me. When I look at it overall I can see that some rethinking in general approach could have gotten me to cut it more slack. But as it is, no.

 

[ClayHefner]

It's just a movie.
If they get a series running and it's shallow and full of holes, I probably "give up". But if you they can make something like nuBSG out of oldBSG, they can still make a great series in that new universe.
Vulcan is gone, lots of lens flares and Kirk got his promotion. That shouldn't make anyone "give up" yet.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Uhg, this horrible film has been nominated for best adapted screenplay by the Writers Guild and is up for six Saturn Awards. But thats to be expected. If there are two groups who just don't get Star Trek, its writers and Science Fiction fans.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Uhg, this horrible film has been nominated for best adapted screenplay by the Writers Guild and is up for six Saturn Awards. But thats to be expected. If there are two groups who just don't get Star Trek, its writers and Science Fiction fans.

If there are three groups that don't get Star Trek it's writers, science fiction fans and people who like movies.

It's funny to repeatedly watch folks announce that a movie like Star Trek is for people who lack taste, intelligence, discrimination etc. while never having demonstrated any remarkable distinction in those areas themselves.

 

[Warped9]

^^ I like science fiction and I love TOS. For me they have always gone hand-in-hand. I'm also bugged by the notion that if you like Star Trek then you lack taste, intelligence and don't know anything about science fiction. Bullshit.

It's just a movie.
If they get a series running and it's shallow and full of holes, I probably "give up". But if you they can make something like nuBSG out of oldBSG, they can still make a great series in that new universe.
Vulcan is gone, lots of lens flares and Kirk got his promotion. That shouldn't make anyone "give up" yet.

I gave up long before this. Each successive film and series contributed to me accepting that they don't know squat about Star Trek's roots except for a handful of familiar and cliched references.

And, no, it's not just a movie. A lot of folks will look at this and think, "Yeah, this is what Trek has always been." And unless they actually look at TOS then they won't know the difference between generally good and DUH(!).

I will say that there were some f/x that were decent in this. I may detest the look of the nu E but it was lighted and photographed well enough. I rather liked the going to warp effect, but didn't much care for the while in warp effect. The creatures on Delta Vega were kinda neat. The general look of San Francisco and the Starfleet Academy were nice.

 

[startrekrcks]

If you don't like it then why go on and on about the film

 

[Amaris]

If you don't like it then why go on and on about the film

Actually, I think in Warped9's case, it's more an issue about what the film could have been. See, for me, I enjoyed it and can pass on it's flaws. For him, it's the flaws that are the most glaring. Both of us are Trek fans and love what it represents, we just sit on different sides of the aisle. Nothing wrong with that.

 

[Warped9]

If you don't like it then why go on and on about the film

Oh, excuse me. I thought this was a discussion.

Actually, I think in Warped9's case, it's more an issue about what the film could have been. See, for me, I enjoyed it and can pass on it's flaws. For him, it's the flaws that are the most glaring. Both of us are Trek fans and love what it represents, we just sit on different sides of the aisle. Nothing wrong with that.

Yes, it represents a continued interest in Star Trek. And, yes, we part on how it was done.

 

[startrekrcks]

Oh sorry for my rudeness I just don't get why people that are long term fans have a problem with change that's what I don't understand it may not have Gene Roddenberry's vision but I can live with that maybe it is because I can accept things and go with the flow.

 

[Amaris]

If you don't like it then why go on and on about the film

Oh, excuse me. I thought this was a discussion.

Actually, I think in Warped9's case, it's more an issue about what the film could have been. See, for me, I enjoyed it and can pass on it's flaws. For him, it's the flaws that are the most glaring. Both of us are Trek fans and love what it represents, we just sit on different sides of the aisle. Nothing wrong with that.

Yes, it represents a continued interest in Star Trek. And, yes, we part on how it was done.

Indeed, but I respect you regardless of where we stand on the issue.

 

[Warped9]

Oh sorry for my rudeness I just don't get why people that are long term fans have a problem with change that's what I don't understand it may not have Gene Roddenberry's vision but I can live with that maybe it is because I can accept things and go with the flow.

Yes, things change and often do change. But no where is it written that one has to agree with how things are changed. People look at this and say, "Well, what else could they have done?' I look it and say, "Geez. They could have done so much better, only they chose not to or didn't know how to."

 

[startrekrcks]

Are you saying that JJ Abrams doesn't have a clue on what real Star Trek is?

 

[Amaris]

Are you saying that JJ Abrams doesn't have a clue on what real Star Trek is?

You don't need to be confrontational. Plus, if you'll read what Warped9 has been saying, JJ had some good nods in the movie, it just looked like he wanted more Star Wars than Star Trek.

 

[BillJ]

Problems with the new film? Yes
Have I given up? No

I really liked the cast with the exception of Pegg and Saldana. Thought there were definitely some nice character bits, but that the overall story was a mess.

Waiting to see what they come up with in 2012.

 

[startrekrcks]

Are you saying that you will go and see Trek XII if you thought Star Trek XI was a mess

 

[Warped9]

Are you saying that you will go and see Trek XII if you thought Star Trek XI was a mess

I didn't see ST09 in the theatre. From what I'd seen and heard there was no way I was paying full ticket for it. And the same will go for the next one.

I first saw ST09 as a download someone gave me. I saw it for a second time yesterday because someone lent me their DVD copy. If neither option had come my way then I couldn't participate in this discussion because I wouldn't have seen the film yet. I'd have had to wait until it aired on television.

I voted with my wallet. I didn't support what they were doing and how they were doing it so they didn't get a dime of my money. ...Except for the bag of Ruffles I was munching on during the movie, but that didn't go to anyone associated with this film.

 

[Kirk1980]

Warped9....

OR SO YOU THINK!

JJ Abrams...loves....Ruffles.

 

[Warped9]

Warped9....

OR SO YOU THINK!

JJ Abrams...loves....Ruffles.

Damn!

 

[Keith1701]

Absolutely not. Star Trek TOS is alive and well and known as Star Trek Phase II. Being involved in its production keeps it fresh, since there are new stories, and we have kept both the form and the essence of the original.

No way, I became a STAR TREK FAN, when I was only 6 years old, and I'm still going strong today. Star Trek is getting better with J.J. Abrams version of TREK. I see a rebuild to all that is STAR TREK.