Any other TOSers give up post-Abrams?

[Amaris]

Pike would have been courtmartial along with Kirk and Spock in any service organization. Pike for being stupid and promoting Kirk to first officer. Kirk for being a dick on the bridge and Spock for not handling the situation properly, going off on some sort off emotional fit!

Your statement is so broad, it easily encompasses events that take place in TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT as well, along with the TOS and TNG movies. That's your choice, of course, but I would suggest it as unwise if it were equally applied to every movie and series from Star Trek.

 

[Warped9]

Pike would have been courtmartial along with Kirk and Spock in any service organization. Pike for being stupid and promoting Kirk to first officer. Kirk for being a dick on the bridge and Spock for not handling the situation properly, going off on some sort off emotional fit!

In TOS this most certainly would have happened.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Pike would have been courtmartial along with Kirk and Spock in any service organization. Pike for being stupid and promoting Kirk to first officer. Kirk for being a dick on the bridge and Spock for not handling the situation properly, going off on some sort off emotional fit!

In TOS this most certainly would have happened.

Yes, there are several situations in TOS where Kirk or Spock should have been court martialed. Or isn't that what you mean? Hell,after stealing the ship, falsifying orders and kidnapping a Starfleet officer I'm surprised Spock was allowed to stay in Starfleet. Friends in high places, I guess.

 

[Amaris]

Pike would have been courtmartial along with Kirk and Spock in any service organization. Pike for being stupid and promoting Kirk to first officer. Kirk for being a dick on the bridge and Spock for not handling the situation properly, going off on some sort off emotional fit!

In TOS this most certainly would have happened.

Yes, there are several situations in TOS where Kirk or Spock should have been court martialed. Or isn't that what you mean? Hell,after stealing the ship, falsifying orders and kidnapping a Starfleet officer I'm surprised Spock was allowed to stay in Starfleet. Friends in high places, I guess.

I was about to say the same thing. The indictment against the film as explained by ncc-1701-e could easily be applied to any of the Trek series and movies as well.

 

[Nerys Myk]

In TOS this most certainly would have happened.

Yes, there are several situations in TOS where Kirk or Spock should have been court martialed. Or isn't that what you mean? Hell,after stealing the ship, falsifying orders and kidnapping a Starfleet officer I'm surprised Spock was allowed to stay in Starfleet. Friends in high places, I guess.

I was about to say the same thing. The indictment against the film as explained by ncc-1701-e could easily be applied to any of the Trek series and movies as well.

Just thought I'd illustrate your point J.

 

[Amaris]

Yes, there are several situations in TOS where Kirk or Spock should have been court martialed. Or isn't that what you mean? Hell,after stealing the ship, falsifying orders and kidnapping a Starfleet officer I'm surprised Spock was allowed to stay in Starfleet. Friends in high places, I guess.

I was about to say the same thing. The indictment against the film as explained by ncc-1701-e could easily be applied to any of the Trek series and movies as well.

Just thought I'd illustrate your point J.

That's okay, your point was well illustrated.

 

[Nerys Myk]

The JJ's story line and characterizations were difficult for me:

[*]Everyone being peers from the beginning

But They are not. Spock is clearly an experienced officer. Scotty an established engineer. Only Uhura, Sulu and Kirk are true peers. McCoy being a Doctor from the outset and Chekov being Doogie Houser excempt them.

[*]Kirk going from cadet to captain

No arguement there.

[*]Spock logically/emotionally stranding Kirk on Delta Vega

Spock does crazy shit when his emotions are compromised. He's even been known to strike a superior officer!

[*]McCoy as an "additional" character

What? His role varies from episode to episode. Why is this a problem?

[*]Scotty written as a character from a Monty Python movie

You mean funny? Scotty's alway had a touch of humor to him. "It's green."

[*]Uhura written with a serious dose of unprofessionalism

"Captain, I'm frightened."

[*]Kirk as a lecherous womanizer...pardon me, this is based upon unsubstantiated TOS legacy

Kirk hit on one woman and almost had sex with another. Not exactly lecherous. Kirk "rep" was that he had sex with a lot of women. So far this Kirk is 0 for 2. And to be fair, Kirk did hit on a lot of women in the series and seduced a few. Sometimes to get what he needed. (Lenore and Shana come to mind).

[*]Spock as a vengeful SOB

Dude lost his mom and home. I'll cut him some slack.

[*]Even Spock Prime was off his beam

He seemed in keeping with later days Spock.

[*]ANOTHER time travel movie...let's see that's ST4, ST7, ST8, ST11 not to mention the flashbacks in other movies...

Its only time travel if the main cast travels through time. Villains from the futiure don't count.

[*]"Out of the frying pan and into the fire" plot pace is not sci-fi...is not Star Trek...even Star Wars slows down at times

They had some slow moments. Sci and Star Trek have room for all sorts of plots, including "Out of the frying pan into the fire." SF serials were buildt on that notion.

[*]Lack of any kind of research of the 79 episodes

The number of injokes and references to the olde series would seem to disprove this.

[*]The "camp movement" hasn't had it this good since Adam West and Burt Ward were Batman and Robin

Camp would have been a note perfect dupliction of TOS.

 

[Hambone]

RE: Kirk going from cadet to Captain (several posters)

Question: How much time passed between the destruction of the Narada and Kirk's promotion scene?

 

[Kelso]

The new film had to appeal to the summer 2009 blockbuster movie audience in order to be successful. Given that, I was amazed that it managed to be as true to Star Trek as it was. Its success among both regular folks and die-hard Trekkies is a testament to the talent of the filmmakers.

There were obviously compromises and a clear effort to capitalize on the Trek cliches that exist in the public consciousness... but that was to be expected.

It wasn't a perfect film, or my ideal version of Star Trek, but it was damned entertaining.

Also, I was finally able to put a Star Trek DVD in the player after the family Thanksgiving dinner without getting mocked, yelled at, or threatened with divorce. That's gotta count for something.

 

[Nerys Myk]

RE: Kirk going from cadet to Captain (several posters)

Question: How much time passed between the destruction of the Narada and Kirk's promotion scene?

A couple of hours.

 

[Hambone]

RE: Kirk going from cadet to Captain (several posters)

Question: How much time passed between the destruction of the Narada and Kirk's promotion scene?

A couple of hours.

I didn't get that feeling. I was thinking more like a few months or a year. Pike sure got rehabilitated fast, and the Enterprise completely repaired, if it was only a couple of hours. Or am I missing something?

 

[Nerys Myk]

RE: Kirk going from cadet to Captain (several posters)

Question: How much time passed between the destruction of the Narada and Kirk's promotion scene?

A couple of hours.

I didn't get that feeling. I was thinking more like a few months or a year. Pike sure got rehabilitated fast, and the Enterprise completely repaired, if it was only a couple of hours. Or am I missing something?

Just joking around.

 

[ghoyle1]

I haven't given up on TOS, but I was disappointed and saddened by the movie. I like Zach Quinto as Spock, and Karl Urban is a pretty good McCoy, but everything else pretty much disappoints me, including the new Enterprise.

Guy

 

[Captain Pike]

I can understand the sentiment. You see, it doesn't bother me because I knew they'd end up together by the end, and this was the way they did it. I would have hoped for a little more fleshing out before they did so, but since they did, no skin off my nose. However, it very much strains credulity. I think it particularly bothers people who love the movie, as people who hate the movie this is one more pin in the voodoo doll of J.J. Abrams.

For those who really like the movie, though, this is a rather large gaping hole in the reality of this movie, and it picks at you. Suspending disbelief is generally easy in a Star Trek movie, I mean we have warp speed, transporters, human like aliens, a total disregard for most physics and so on. There are a number of things, however, that rankle people. One of them is something that requires a leap of supposition to accept. In this case, the HUGE step from Lieutenant to Captain of the Flagship of the entire Federation inside of a very short time is one of those leaps of supposition, and I think it bothers most who like the movie because a simple "Two Years Later" caption at the bottom of the screen at this scene would have satisfied most. One little caption.

Very well articulated, J.

 

[JustKate]

RE: Kirk going from cadet to Captain (several posters)

Question: How much time passed between the destruction of the Narada and Kirk's promotion scene?

A couple of hours.

On what do you base that? I didn't see any evidence of that, but I could have missed it, so if there's evidence, do tell, do tell. I'd love to know.

Axiom mentions that there are people who like the movie but really hate the rapid promotion thing a LOT. I'm one of those. It didn't ruin the movie for me, but I really don't like this at all, for all the reasons stated by others. And so the way I retcon it is to say to myself, "The ceremony occurred sometime in the future." Hey, whatever works.

 

[Nerys Myk]

RE: Kirk going from cadet to Captain (several posters)

Question: How much time passed between the destruction of the Narada and Kirk's promotion scene?

A couple of hours.

On what do you base that? I didn't see any evidence of that, but I could have missed it, so if there's evidence, do tell, do tell. I'd love to know.

Axiom mentions that there are people who like the movie but really hate the rapid promotion thing a LOT. I'm one of those. It didn't ruin the movie for me, but I really don't like this at all, for all the reasons stated by others. And so the way I retcon it is to say to myself, "The ceremony occurred sometime in the future." Hey, whatever works.

See posts 163 and 191

 

[Vonstadt]

I have to be honest here, though I enjoyed the film, I have issues with /a lot/ of it when comparing it to what TOS was and still for the most part is. Even at its worst I still enjoy it and chuckle at things they got wrong and at its best I am still amazed at how wonderful the things are that went right. TOS has to viewed at a time relation angle to be honest. One has to consider the time and culture of the time that it was born into.

That having been said TOS and the new film are apples and ducks.

The new film even goes out of its way to let us know through New Spock's exposition speech about this being a new time frame. I.E. New paths and destineies, new directions and well look and feel to everything.

Is it TOS, well no. Of Course it isnt, it is a New Trek. That is How I view the film.

The exsistence of the new film and its brandy new universe do not appeal to me as much as the universe and feel of Good old TOS, but its presence in no way makes me give up on TOS. It's successes and failings have nothing to do with TOS. Doesn't change it nor alter it in anyway. The episodes are still fun to watch and so on and so forth. So my enjoyment of them does not change.

So as I said before I have not given up hope on TOS.

TOS is still my favorite and at the moment I am waiting to see if the second film is more like TOS or if it goes off in a new direction on its own and gets my attention that way. Sorta like I did when I used to watch TOS when I was a kid.

If I like it I'll watch it, if I don't, I won't.

But comparing the two styles is like comparing the New York Yankees baseball team to the newest expansion franchise. The new franchise needs time to make its own history though they both still play baseball one has a long history and has achieved a lot in its sport and the other is just starting out and trying to find its own voice and place in the sport.

Just my two cents.

Vons

 

[JustKate]

A couple of hours.

On what do you base that? I didn't see any evidence of that, but I could have missed it, so if there's evidence, do tell, do tell. I'd love to know.

Axiom mentions that there are people who like the movie but really hate the rapid promotion thing a LOT. I'm one of those. It didn't ruin the movie for me, but I really don't like this at all, for all the reasons stated by others. And so the way I retcon it is to say to myself, "The ceremony occurred sometime in the future." Hey, whatever works.

See posts 163 and 191

I'm sorry, but in what way does this answer my question? I'm confused. My recollection is that movie doesn't exactly say, so we're free to assume that it occurred a few hours, a couple weeks, or a couple years later. But if there's something more specific, I'd like to hear about it.

Edit: If there's not, I'd really like to hear about that, too. Then I can just assume that the ceremony occurred a couple years in the future. That would definitely be my preference.

 

[Nerys Myk]

On what do you base that? I didn't see any evidence of that, but I could have missed it, so if there's evidence, do tell, do tell. I'd love to know.

Axiom mentions that there are people who like the movie but really hate the rapid promotion thing a LOT. I'm one of those. It didn't ruin the movie for me, but I really don't like this at all, for all the reasons stated by others. And so the way I retcon it is to say to myself, "The ceremony occurred sometime in the future." Hey, whatever works.

See posts 163 and 191

I'm sorry, but in what way does this answer my question? I'm confused. My recollection is that movie doesn't exactly say, so we're free to assume that it occurred a few hours, a couple weeks, or a couple years later. But if there's something more specific, I'd like to hear about it.

Edit: If there's not, I'd really like to hear about that, too. Then I can just assume that the ceremony occurred a couple years in the future. That would definitely be my preference.

My "hours" comment was joke. I linked to the wrong post. See 192 (Question 1 answered). And I'm not a fan of the rapid promotion either. Though I've no problem thinking it took place weeks. months or years after the Enterprise returned to Earth

 

[JustKate]

^ Oh, I see. Okie-doke. I get you now. Thank goodness. I now feel free to retcon to my heart's desire.