What is your opinion of Capt. Jellico?

[cooleddie74]

Yes, COP ROCK sucked.

Sucked donkey balls. While wearing a leather hood and tickling a sheep's crank.

But Ronny was okay in it.

 

[Degobunny]

Jellico was okay, but a little to much of a loose canon for my taste. I kinda wish he had been more honest with the crew or least Riker.

 

[AJBryant]

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LOOSE CANNON?

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[Degobunny]

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LOOSE CANNON?

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yeah i seem to remember him deliberately being an jerk to the Cardassians during negoiations. He seemed kind of like a loose canon to me there, becuase he really had not reason to act that way. Too me it seemed like he was beingg a jerk becuase he could, that to me classifies him as a loose canon, becuase I had not idea how he was actually going to resolve things or what he was going to do next. I guess it is more a matter of opinion though.

 

[ALF]

After that meeting in question:
I loved how Riker said, "at least he's confident" or something and Troi countered, "actually, he's not." So Riker at that point lost any remaining respect for him he may have had.

 

[Brutal Strudel]

Which is why Troi should keep her stinking yap shut when she's privy to the inner workings of the Captain. Confidence is usually a bluff and what matters is that Jellico had the spine to do what needed to be done in spite of any internal misgivings--and he was right. He's the one who wins the day, not Riker, who just implemented his plan, and not even Picard, valiant though his resistance to Cardassian torture was.Seriously, this episode really went a long way to souring me on the TNG crew save Picard and Data. There's a reason why the TNG movies became the Picard and Data show: they're the only characters worth a damn.

 

[NBG011]

Jellico's mistake was that he wanted to change too much too quickly. In a system used to a certain way of functioning, like the crew of the Enterprise, it's a recipe for disaster.

It has to be said too that Riker doesn't seem to be putting any effort in seeing the captain's wishes carried out.

 

[maneth]

Jellico's motives may have been noble but he went about things the wrong way. Quite frankly he came across as a right bastard, after he walked roughshod over the bridge crew, particularly Riker.

 

[MikeH92467]

Jellico's motives may have been noble but he went about things the wrong way. Quite frankly he came across as a right bastard, after he walked roughshod over the bridge crew, particularly Riker.

If you watch it again, pay particular attention to the exchange between Picard and Jellico when Jellico tells Picard to butt out. The Federation is on the brink of war and Jellico feels like he can't afford to waste time worrying about bruised sensitivities. Also consider the fact that while Jellico was willing to push the crew to the limits he backed off (reluctantly) when Data warned him that he was pushing too hard. Jellico was also willing to put aside his feelings about Riker and ask him hat in hand to fly the big mission because it was the best way to "get it done."

 

[ALF]

Which is why Troi should keep her stinking yap shut when she's privy to the inner workings of the Captain. Confidence is usually a bluff and what matters is that Jellico had the spine to do what needed to be done in spite of any internal misgivings--and he was right. He's the one who wins the day, not Riker, who just implemented his plan, and not even Picard, valiant though his resistance to Cardassian torture was.Seriously, this episode really went a long way to souring me on the TNG crew save Picard and Data. There's a reason why the TNG movies became the Picard and Data show: they're the only characters worth a damn.

Hmmm. That's interesting. I disagree with how you feel about Picard/Data because I thought the films lost some flavor omitting anything relevant about the other characters, but I applaud how clearly you've articulated your points of view.

"Confidence is usually a bluff" - I suppose that's true to some extent. It's amazing about the Betazoids because they would live in a society without bluffing. And yet Troi was usually at the weekly poker game!

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

i seem to remember him deliberately being an jerk to the Cardassians during negoiations. He seemed kind of like a loose canon to me there, becuase he really had not reason to act that way.

Actually that's how you're supposed to negotiate with Cardassians. That's the only method they understand. Cardassians will attempt to dominate any conversation they're in, so you've got to do it to them first. Jellico knew exactly how to deal with them; he was perfect for the job at hand.

 

[ALF]

So... it's credible then.

Jellico was perfect for handling the Cardassian threat, but a poor choice to captain the Enterprise.

 

[Vonstadt]

I stated this before, I actually really liked Jellico. He handled the cardies just right and was the type of officer I wouldn't have minded serving under when I was in the military. I liked his catch phrase of 'Get it done' and his dislike of the whole lets have a meeting and talk and then talk some more before I decide.

I liked Picard as Captain dont get me wrong but I liked Jellico too, he reminded me of a TOS style commanding officer. Plus some elements of the episode we poorly written, Riker came off looking like a petualnt child at times during the dispute between them. When as I often saw it, Riker was more like Jellico in nature than he was Picard.

Which is why Picard and Riker gelled so well together as a command team. But that is just my opinion.

Vons

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Jellico was perfect for handling the Cardassian threat, but a poor choice to captain the Enterprise.

He was never intended to be the permanent captain of the ship. Only for that one mission - against the Cardassians. So therefore he *was* the best choice to captain the Enterprise, because he was there for just one mission.

 

[Snaploud]

After that meeting in question:
I loved how Riker said, "at least he's confident" or something and Troi countered, "actually, he's not." So Riker at that point lost any remaining respect for him he may have had.

Yeah, that was completely unprofessional of Troi.

 

[CaptainStoner]

All I know is, when going up against the Cardassians, you use FOUR shift rotations, not the standard three. And of course, there are four lights.

 

[Brutal Strudel]

I believe they kept the four shift rotation after Jellico left.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Here's the problem with Jellico:

Riker repelled the Borg invasion of the Federation and saved Earth.

Starfleet put a whole fleet up against the Borg at Wolf 347 or whatever it was called, and got their asses kicked.

Riker and the crew of the Enterprise stopped the Borg.

So in complete context, Jellico comes off as insecure and a poor judge of the people under his command in trying so hard to assert authority by bluster over Riker and the others.

Of course, Trek doesn't treat this kind of thing in any sensible context; if there's not exactly amnesia between episodes there's certainly kind of "brown-out" of memory - otherwise, why not put Riker who's clearly eminently qualified to command Enterprise in charge rather than bringing in an officer like Jellico whose command achievements couldn't possibly equal Riker's? Which tracks back, of course, to the illogic to the idea that Riker would have remained as second-in-command of Enterprise after the events of "Best Of Both Worlds" - that's an idea that can only be sustained within Trek's Bizarro Fleet (similar to the peculiar career paths of everyone who had served on the Enterprise by the time of Star Trek 6).

 

[CaptainStoner]

I watched these two eps two nights ago.

Some wandering thoughts:

It would have been nice to have an episode with some interior shots of one of the many Excelsior-class ships the big D often meets up with. That class ship apparently became a long-lived workhorse for Starfleet. How about an episode where Riker is in command of an Excelsior-class, working tandem with the D? Of course the problem (again) is how to get him back to being XO...

Jellico isn't that bad. He comes in operating from a worst-case scenario: Picard dies, and a Cardassian invasion commences. He really believes this is going to be the course of events.
And, he does a good, if rough, job. He's not afraid to get his hands dirty, works with LaForge, etc.
Really Jellico's main flaw is that he fails to address the crew, he fails to see the importance of that, blowing it off as "a honeymoon with the crew".
Imagining Kirk, Sisko, Janeway, and maybe Picard in a similar situation, the first thing they'd probably do would be to to fire up the ship-wide intercom, and give a short, not-too-sweet, talk about what was going on (within his constraints of course).
Jellico fails to realize that "public relations" is a part of his job, one he can't just delegate to Troi. He should have introduced himself to the whole crew.
He did have some prejudice towards Riker.

 

[trentman359]

I thought the crew was unusually hard on him. What was so bad about a 4 shift rotation? Seems like the crew would have more down-time.