Any other TOSers give up post-Abrams?

[trevanian]

I like how Abrams added some touches to classic ideas that old fans and new fans alike have often speculated on. Building on the foundation of "Enterprise", we see that Vulcans do indeed have emotions, they just supress them and their reactions to them very very well.

And I have never, ever before heard Spock say "Live long and prosper" and understood that he actually saying, "Go F yourselves".

It was a true highlight of the film for me.

Sorry, but we already knew way back during TOS' initial run that Vulcan's had emotions that they learned to control. .

Yeah, I'm thinking the younger and newer viewers perhaps don't realize the huge electrical effect Spock's struggle for control had in terms of triggering off stampedes and landslides of mail way back when. If those aspects hadn't been such a lightning rod, then Nimoy wouldn't have been able to renegotiate his contract so well or invest time and resources to deal with the onslaught of fan appreciation coming his way.

I was always a lot more interested in Kirk and McCoy, but almost everybody I knew into Trek in the early to late 70s thought it was all about Spock -- and that is at least 95% of the women (though by the 80s, I noticed a resurgence in young women liking Shatner ... maybe it was the TJ HOOKER uniform?)

 

[Neutral Zone]

Like a lot of Trek fans I'm one of the originals, saw it for the first time. Since then I have loved all the Treks that have followed, TOS will always be my favourite.

As for the latest film, I think that it was also great, it will certainly bring in a new generation of fans. I only hope that they will also enjoy watching TOS and the others.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

...somehow TruTrek will rise again.

There are folks who say that about the Old South, too. It's just as likely, which is to say that it will never happen.

What you call TruTrek wasn't buried or supplanted by Abrams's movie - it was already long gone, the studio trying hard to massage it into forms that might be viable for the future (like the "Remastered" project).

After the Abrams reboot runs its course, if TOS-based stuff seems to be the way to go - and I think it probably will remain so for quite a while - they will simply reboot again, in a form that's got a chance at commercial viability in the year 2020 or whatever...and whatever that is, it will not be your then-over-half-a-century-old television vision of the Trek "universe."

Honestly, if Paramount wants to secure Trek's future they'd better be looking real hard at the success of Avatar and working from that.

 

[Kirk1980]

I didn't like the new film but the one thing I do appreciate is that it revived interest in the property. Hopefully something new will be made which I do like in the future.

And God, I hope they don't imitate Avatar. Creatively, that thing was dull and the CGI effects might as well have been a cartoon. Bleh.

 

[ipirate65]

I like how Abrams added some touches to classic ideas that old fans and new fans alike have often speculated on. Building on the foundation of "Enterprise", we see that Vulcans do indeed have emotions, they just supress them and their reactions to them very very well.

And I have never, ever before heard Spock say "Live long and prosper" and understood that he actually saying, "Go F yourselves".

It was a true highlight of the film for me.

Sorry, but we already knew way back during TOS' initial run that Vulcan's had emotions that they learned to control. ENT and Abrams Drek added zilch to this other than plaster stuff in that was crap.

but how tenuous that control is was not explored until ENT and the new movie. Your opinions are just that, opinions, and you certainly don't speak for me and many others.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Your opinions are just that, opinions, and you certainly don't speak for me and many others.

He speaks for precisely one person, as do we all.

 

[Captain Robert April]

I didn't like the new film but the one thing I do appreciate is that it revived interest in the property. Hopefully something new will be made which I do like in the future.

And God, I hope they don't imitate Avatar. Creatively, that thing was dull and the CGI effects might as well have been a cartoon. Bleh.

At least Avatar had a plot that made sense. Cliched and derivative as all hell, but it worked. Just like it worked the fifteen other times that same plot has been trotted out.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Most of those that hated JJ movie gave up before they saw it.

And it was even sadder when the fears came true.

It could have been one of the best films ever made and they still would have hated it. They were determined to hate it from the get go. Nothing would or could change their minds. Ironic, considering Star Trek's themes.

 

[Agenda]

How come after a host of shitty Season 3 episodes and at least 2 shitty movies, all of a sudden it's Star Trek XI that's the deal breaker for so many?

 

[Captain Robert April]

Last straw?

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

How come after a host of shitty Season 3 episodes and at least 2 shitty movies, all of a sudden it's Star Trek XI that's the deal breaker for so many?

Abrams changed the color of the nacelle caps. Some people confused that with Lazlo Toth's assault on Michaelangelo's Pieta. A sad lack of perspective.

 

[number6]

How come after a host of shitty Season 3 episodes and at least 2 shitty movies, all of a sudden it's Star Trek XI that's the deal breaker for so many?

Abrams changed the color of the nacelle caps. Some people confused that with Lazlo Toth's assault on Michaelangelo's Pieta. A sad lack of perspective.

 

[Nerys Myk]

How come after a host of shitty Season 3 episodes and at least 2 shitty movies, all of a sudden it's Star Trek XI that's the deal breaker for so many?

Abrams changed the color of the nacelle caps. Some people confused that with Lazlo Toth's assault on Michaelangelo's Pieta. A sad lack of perspective.

Good point and you also reminded me of the "Lazlo Letters". A very funny book.

 

[Nick086]

My friend hates Abram's vision of Star Trek. I haven't seen it and don't know what to make of it. I feel like one of those people that hates change. I want it like it use to be, but that not gonna happen. Star Trek wouldn't survive if it follow its previous path. Its fans are getting older and sooner or later the old fan base will start dwindling.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Well, the TOS fanbase has been dwindling for decades now.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Like a lot of Trek fans I'm one of the originals, saw it for the first time. Since then I have loved all the Treks that have followed, TOS will always be my favourite.

As for the latest film, I think that it was also great, it will certainly bring in a new generation of fans. I only hope that they will also enjoy watching TOS and the others.

A few TAS in b/w - and then ST:TMP - was my introduction to ST, then many months catching up on all the TOS and TAS I'd missed. Followed the making of movies II-VI and TNG very closely. ST V was a big disappointment and DS9 sure took some getting used to. VOY was sometimes a bit ho hum, got better with the addition of Seven - and ENT missed some really great opportunities.

Loved JJ's approach - but I was expecting exactly what we got from Bad Robot, who'd already given us "Lost" and "Cloverfield"!

 

[Iowagirl]

Saw Abrams' Star Wreck on my flight to last year's Las Vegas Con. Passed out after about 10 minutes. Regained consciousness and saw some jerk hitting on a girl with a red uniform who when I woke up next was hitting at a guy with pointed ears. Next time I woke up this very guy was beating up the jerk who had been hitting on the girl first. Fortunately, another meal was being served at this point, and shortly after I fell asleep once more. I woke up to sunny Las Vegas where I met the one and only Captain and First Officer, Bill & Leonard, and came home a very happy TOS camper.

 

[Amaris]

Nah, I'm a TOS fan from the beginning and I'm more interested in what happens next with Star Trek than I have been in many years - and that's thanks to Abrams's movie.

I echo this sentiment completely.

 

[trevanian]

How come after a host of shitty Season 3 episodes and at least 2 shitty movies, all of a sudden it's Star Trek XI that's the deal breaker for so many?

Combines tons more money and resources than trek ever had (except maybe tmp) with lowest common denominator storytelling, a George Lucas level of contrivance and a really tragic visual sensibility.

Pretty much fits 'highly polished turd' to a tee. The fact others think this turd is actually a chocolate donut is not my problem, because they're the ones who swallowed it whole and have the taste issues.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

I woke up to sunny Las Vegas where I met the one and only Captain and First Officer, Bill & Leonard...

Oh yeah, Spock Prime and another old guy who spent a year complaining about the new Trek movie before it came out.