Any other TOSers give up post-Abrams?
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I can remember when I was younger visiting my grandfather on Friday nights as this was my parents "Night Out". We would watch TOS together as at this time it was in syndication (late late 80's early 90's). I credit this man as the one who opened my eyes to science fiction, and really science all together starting with pushing Asimov books into my hand to read as a youngster to conversations about Carl Sagan and the universe as a teenager and young adult. We experienced TNG together and parts of DS9 until his passing. One thing my grandfather always remained firm about was us as humans continuing to evolve.
Through many conversations we had one opinion that we agreed on, The Great Bird's vision of the future always continued to Evolve.
I love Trek for what it is good and bad, for the wonderful badness that is TOS, to the weary chance that was taken to evolve into TNG and spanning from there to DS9, VOY and ENT all up to where we are now with JJ's (*cough*) Trek.
If he were alive and had experienced all of Trek with me, my grandfather would no doubt say with a shrug as we left the theater post viewing Star Trek XI...
"Not everything ages gracefully, that's for sure!"
Through many conversations we had one opinion that we agreed on, The Great Bird's vision of the future always continued to Evolve.
I love Trek for what it is good and bad, for the wonderful badness that is TOS, to the weary chance that was taken to evolve into TNG and spanning from there to DS9, VOY and ENT all up to where we are now with JJ's (*cough*) Trek.
If he were alive and had experienced all of Trek with me, my grandfather would no doubt say with a shrug as we left the theater post viewing Star Trek XI...
"Not everything ages gracefully, that's for sure!"
Funny. I had exactly the opposite response. To my mind, the new movie has restored the youth and vitality to a franchise that, to be honest, had started to feel a little geriatric.
Or, as I think SFX magazine put it, Abrams and Co. basically gave Trek a jolt of Viagra!
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I like how Abrams added some touches to classic ideas that old fans and new fans alike have often speculated on. Building on the foundation of "Enterprise", we see that Vulcans do indeed have emotions, they just supress them and their reactions to them very very well.
And I have never, ever before heard Spock say "Live long and prosper" and understood that he actually saying, "Go F yourselves".
It was a true highlight of the film for me.
And I have never, ever before heard Spock say "Live long and prosper" and understood that he actually saying, "Go F yourselves".
It was a true highlight of the film for me.
My co-workers ALL have purchased the Blu Ray or the DVD..most say it was a refreshing
and fun movie...
Me..I like the film..it's Trek..as it really was all about the characters..not the pace or the plot..
What I wanted was a good fun movie,canon be damned, and in that, JJ delivered...
his way of jettisoning all the accumulated baggage was good..and the movie has revitalized the franchise in the minds of the movie going public..and myself..
and fun movie...
Me..I like the film..it's Trek..as it really was all about the characters..not the pace or the plot..
What I wanted was a good fun movie,canon be damned, and in that, JJ delivered...
his way of jettisoning all the accumulated baggage was good..and the movie has revitalized the franchise in the minds of the movie going public..and myself..
I've loved Star Trek since I was a little ckid and grew up on the reruns of TOS, and the movies, and watched all of TNG and sub-sequent series.
I lost interest during Voyager's run, and Enterprise.
I absolutely loved JJ's Star Trek, and it actually got me in the mood to watch the old series again, and it made me realize how boring a lot of TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT were.
I say keep'em coming!
I lost interest during Voyager's run, and Enterprise.
I absolutely loved JJ's Star Trek, and it actually got me in the mood to watch the old series again, and it made me realize how boring a lot of TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT were.
I say keep'em coming!
I shall not bother expressing any of my issues regarding JJ's Trek here as I have already elaborated on these elsewhere on this site, but in regard to the question postulated in the original post, I am at present not particularly fascinated by Trek's future course and wouldn't have a problem with simply accepting the 'Prime' Trekverse in it's current form and leaving it in the past.
This.
Oh wait, only one "s"
Abrams has just made me love TOS all the more. If I've given up on anything, it's any series post TNG and even then, there's a lot of TNG I just wouldn't watch at all.
I don't know why, the old FX are still there remastered or not, the 80 episodes have been watched and watched yet it still has that certain something.
It's probably the big three, the one thing Abrams couldn't dump from the reboot. I'd watch any episode where that dynamic comes through ceaselessly.
Yeah. As long as future Trek is in the JJverse, it isn't "Trek" as far as I'm concerned and it's barely watchable as generic SF.
Still, I hold out hope and believe that one day, somehow TruTrek will rise again. In some form. Hey, Enterprise bucked continuity and was sentenced to an early grave. Once the "shiny new" phase wears off, I think there is a comparable fate in store for JJTrek.
Until that hallowed day when the Second Coming of Trek takes place, I'll have to settle for my DVD's and the forthcoming novels.
That and my complete Space: 1999 set!
Still, I hold out hope and believe that one day, somehow TruTrek will rise again. In some form. Hey, Enterprise bucked continuity and was sentenced to an early grave. Once the "shiny new" phase wears off, I think there is a comparable fate in store for JJTrek.
Until that hallowed day when the Second Coming of Trek takes place, I'll have to settle for my DVD's and the forthcoming novels.
That and my complete Space: 1999 set!
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Honestly - and please don't take this personally, TOS-anatics, because it came to my mind unbidden, I swear - the first thing I thought of when I saw "TOSer" was "HOSer." "TOSser" is more clever, though.
I just never quite know what to do with terms like TOSer - or Niner, for that matter - because they imply an...an...exclusive affiliation with or total devotion to a very specific and particular show, and I just ain't got it. While I love TOS, I love TNG, too, and also DS9 - all for slightly different reasons - and VOY had its moments as well. (Presumably ENT did, too, but I just could not get into that show, so I wouldn't know.) Plus, every Trek show includes some real stinkers. So to be a TOSer, does one have to be monogamous, forsaking all others? If so, I guess I'll just have to consider myself a promiscuous Trekker.
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No. He is essentially right, although I might say he's still being too generous.
What Abrams did was boil TOS to the barest elements and then played the cliches to death. The most glaring omission is the intelligence factor that made so much of TOS stand head-and-shoulders above most other sci-fi of its day and since. In my view Abrams did to TOS what Verhoven did to Robert Heinlein's wonderful novel.
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Most of the people who hated the movie hated it before the first day of filming began.
I fully expected to hate the movie and everything I expected to hate about the movie was pretty much in the movie. From little stuff (I still hate that Enterprise is shown being built on the ground) to the big stuff (Chris Pine is a charming space rogue, in the mold of paleoBSG Starbuck, Mal Reynolds and Han Solo, but he's not my idea of James T. Kirk*) to the forehead-slappingly huge stuff (cadet to captain? really? well fuck you, too!**) but I loved the movie as a whole. I am most definitely looking forward to the sequel.
*Which I can accept so long as I remind myself that my Jim Kirk was the product of a stable home with a loving father.
**Said with affection. Really.
*Which I can accept so long as I remind myself that my Jim Kirk was the product of a stable home with a loving father.
**Said with affection. Really.
Sorry, but we already knew way back during TOS' initial run that Vulcan's had emotions that they learned to control. ENT and Abrams Drek added zilch to this other than plaster stuff in that was crap.
And it was even sadder when the fears came true.
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