Braga simply did not watch the show

[You_Guyz]

I mean the amount of continuity errors he made in the show he was producing was pretty shocking.
The most glaring one I noticed was when I recently watched "Unimatrix Zero", the Doctor and Seven talked about how she had had her first dream despite the fact Seven mentions having several dreams in "One" and she clearly dreamt in "Waking Moments". I mean wtf?

 

[RyuRoots]

If you want continuity, then go watch (or re-watch as the case may be) DS9. In addition to getting things wrong, VOY oftentimes simply forgets about elements they bring into the show, such as the Equinox survivors.

 

[mswood]

Seriously. Thats an issue. I strongly recommend you watch pretty much almost any show on tv and find each and every line that doesn't match. You will find many, in some cases a huge number.

And in Trek's case you will find errors occur in each and every series. It isn't a "Braga" issue, but a general writers/producer error that occurs far, far more often then I think we Trek fans really, really understand.

 

[mswood]

If you want continuity, then go watch (or re-watch as the case may be) DS9. In addition to getting things wrong, VOY oftentimes simply forgets about elements they bring into the show, such as the Equinox survivors.

Actually DS9 (my favorite Trek series) has plenty of errors as well. And it has done a fine job itself in introducing elements that seem to never occur later. It happens it is the general natural of tv, and Trek has never (as a whole) been designed, ie laid out) as a serial formatted show (the closest Trek ever got to that was the Xindi arc from ENT season 3).

 

[You_Guyz]

Seriously. Thats an issue. I strongly recommend you watch pretty much almost any show on tv and find each and every line that doesn't match. You will find many, in some cases a huge number.

And in Trek's case you will find errors occur in each and every series. It isn't a "Braga" issue, but a general writers/producer error that occurs far, far more often then I think we Trek fans really, really understand.

Braga is what comes to mind now because I watched "Dark Frontier" and "Unimatrix Zero" recently, both Braga penned continuity busters.

 

[TheGodBen]

If you want a continuity error try this: In a season 1 episode of Frasier, Martin gives a speech to Frasier and Niles starting with the line "Now, I never had a brother...", but in a season 5 episode we learn that Martin actually does have a brother! And Martin's brother is never mentioned again after that episode!

It's a problem with Paramount shows from the 90s, it would seem. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if that continuity error on Frasier was also Braga's fault.

 

[Bones2]

^
Not to mention that in Cheers, Frasier said his father was a dead scientist. I detect the hand of Brannon Braga there as well.

 

[Admiral Shran]

In addition to getting things wrong, VOY oftentimes simply forgets about elements they bring into the show, such as the Equinox survivors.

I still think it's amazing that the Borg baby was forgotten about within the same episode in which she was introduced.

 

[exodus]

Seriously. Thats an issue. I strongly recommend you watch pretty much almost any show on tv and find each and every line that doesn't match. You will find many, in some cases a huge number.

And in Trek's case you will find errors occur in each and every series. It isn't a "Braga" issue, but a general writers/producer error that occurs far, far more often then I think we Trek fans really, really understand.

Yep, very true.

Anyone remember "Happy Days" and the older brother missing after the first episode? They even made fun of that on "Pinky & the Brain".
There are numerous timeline mistakes within "That 70's Show", especially how "Star Wars" was introduced at least 4 years too early.
Then in "Law & Order" we have the same actors/actresses playing two different characters, non related within the same series. Not just once but a few times.
"Trapper John, MD" who was from M*A*S*H* but in his spin off show he was supposed to be the same guy................and yet not.
Then we have the most famous one of all, "Dallas" and Bobby Ewing in the shower.

 

[Dr. Chandra]

If you want a continuity error try this: In a season 1 episode of Frasier, Martin gives a speech to Frasier and Niles starting with the line "Now, I never had a brother...", but in a season 5 episode we learn that Martin actually does have a brother! And Martin's brother is never mentioned again after that episode!

In the TOS episode "Operation: Annihilate!", Kirk's brother George is killed by the flying pizza bats. Later, in TFF, Spock is sad because his half-brother has died. Kirk says "I lost a brother once. I was lucky; I got him back", obviously alluding the Spock's death in TWOK and return in TSFS.

Kirk just plain forgot about his own flesh & blood brother!

 

[Dukhat]

If you want a continuity error try this: In a season 1 episode of Frasier, Martin gives a speech to Frasier and Niles starting with the line "Now, I never had a brother...", but in a season 5 episode we learn that Martin actually does have a brother! And Martin's brother is never mentioned again after that episode!

In the TOS episode "Operation: Annihilate!", Kirk's brother George is killed by the flying pizza bats. Later, in TFF, Spock is sad because his half-brother has died. Kirk says "I lost a brother once. I was lucky; I got him back", obviously alluding the Spock's death in TWOK and return in TSFS.

Kirk just plain forgot about his own flesh & blood brother!

Yep, we can blame Braga for that one, too!

Seriously...I'm in the process of writing up an episode guide for M*A*S*H, not only one of my favorite shows, but one of the best shows on television ever. And you know what? There's all sorts of continuity errors in that show too. And, of course, Braga was responsible for those as well.

If I had to guess, I'd say that Braga was indeed watching the show religiously, if only because his girlfriend at the time, Jeri Ryan, was in it.

 

[You_Guyz]

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Not to mention that in Cheers, Frasier said his father was a dead scientist. I detect the hand of Brannon Braga there as well.

That was explained away easily when seeing how Frasier was somewhat ashamed of his lowly background, so he lied about his real background in front of the Cheers crew.

Anyhoo, I don't think Braga actually did watch most of the episodes, If I can notice a continuity error straight away even on my first watch through (which I did several times, why couldn't the producer of the damned show?)

 

[exodus]

Well, lets see.
I guess allot of his time would be taken up co-ordinating with all the department heads, bosses of all the contractors, co-managing the staff & working out a budget each episode until the early hours in the morning producing the show.

Not to mention scripts often go thru re-writes up to and often while filming episodes. So inturn, the original story written and possability consistant at the start, might be re-written while filming due to any number of reasons. It's one of the many reasons Robert Beltran mentions of having difficultly working on a weekly TV series. Due to mostly working in film, he wasn't used to re-learning his lines on a day to day basis like you have to do in TV. It's also a reason why BuJoid quit playing Janeway.

A great many producers or writers depending on their demand don't get the time to sit and watch everything they write or produce.

 

[You_Guyz]

Geez, are you Braga's wife and Anwar his kid?
Is there really any excuse in the end for making big continuity errors for a script for your own show? I really don't believe there is.

 

[JoeD80]

Continuity between episodes is the job of the story editor(s); Bryan Fuller and Michael Taylor at the time of "Unimatrix".

 

[number6]

Well, lets see.
I guess allot of his time would be taken up co-ordinating with all the department heads, bosses of all the contractors, co-managing the staff & working out a budget each episode until the early hours in the morning producing the show.

Not to mention scripts often go thru re-writes up to and often while filming episodes. So inturn, the original story written and possability consistant at the start, might be re-written while filming due to any number of reasons. It's one of the many reasons Robert Beltran mentions of having difficultly working on a weekly TV series. Due to mostly working in film, he wasn't used to re-learning his lines on a day to day basis like you have to do in TV. It's also a reason why BuJoid quit playing Janeway.

A great many producers or writers depending on their demand don't get the time to sit and watch everything they write or produce.

This!

Continuity between episodes is the job of the story editor(s), which would have been Bryan Fuller and Michael Taylor at the time.

Either way, no one here has a clue how a television show is produced and the behind the scenes mechanics involved in Star Trek.

Geez, are you Braga's wife and Anwar his kid?
Is there really any excuse in the end for making big continuity errors for a script for your own show? I really don't believe there is.

Is there any excuse for blaming everything wrong with VOY (and all of Star Trek) on Branon Braga??

He was one of many producers on the show.

 

[GeorgeKirk]

In the TOS episode "Operation: Annihilate!", Kirk's brother George is killed by the flying pizza bats. Later, in TFF, Spock is sad because his half-brother has died. Kirk says "I lost a brother once. I was lucky; I got him back", obviously alluding the Spock's death in TWOK and return in TSFS.

Kirk just plain forgot about his own flesh & blood brother!

He didn't forget about his brother George. The line is written so that longtime Star Trek fans who watched the show would realize that he's saying he's come to feel as close to Spock as he did to George. It was actually a very smart way of referencing a bit of continuity from the TV series without alienating casual fans. Maybe the only smartly-written bit of the William Shatner masturbation-fest that is Star Trek V.

On the subject of Voyager's continuity, I think there was a very deliberate decision made to throw continuity to the wind. This would not have been exceptional even five years earlier, since shows with a tight continuity (outside soap operas, of course) were not often seen on American television until the late-90s. What makes Voyager's lack of attention to detail so jarring is that the Star Trek show that ran concurrently with it (DS9) took continuity very seriously.

Someone in charge of VOY (probably the suits at UPN) obviously made the decision very early on to make it more like a Glen Larson production; the kind of show that assumes its audience is composed of simpletons who only tune in every week to see special effects, fight scenes, and T&A. Although production quality may have been higher and the actors better, VOY owed more to Buck Rogers in the 25th Century than TNG when it comes to the way it told its stories and the seriousness with which it took its premise.

I think Brannon Braga gets way too much blame for the show's problems. He had his weaknesses as a writer, but the folks responsible for VOY's overall direction were the suits at UPN and Rick Berman. Braga didn't have a lot of creative freedom.

 

[exodus]

Geez, are you Braga's wife and Anwar his kid?
Is there really any excuse in the end for making big continuity errors for a script for your own show? I really don't believe there is.

Then why ask the question if you don't want to hear the answers?

 

[You_Guyz]

Is there any excuse for blaming everything wrong with VOY (and all of Star Trek) on Branon Braga??

He was one of many producers on the show.

He wrote Unimatrix Zero and was working at the show when "One" and "Waking Moments" were produced

Geez, are you Braga's wife and Anwar his kid?
Is there really any excuse in the end for making big continuity errors for a script for your own show? I really don't believe there is.

Then why ask the question if you don't want to hear the answers?

You edited your post to include all that script rewriting stuff after I had posted my own response, and is there really any need for the constant rolly eye smilies? Its incredibly obnoxious.

I still don't believe that there is any excuse for such huge continuity errors in any show, especially not when the writer of the script is also the executive producer and has been involved in the show the entire time. Feel free to make all the excuses you want to defend your hero, but I stand by my own opinion.

 

[number6]

Is there any excuse for blaming everything wrong with VOY (and all of Star Trek) on Branon Braga??

He was one of many producers on the show.

He wrote Unimatrix Zero and was working at the show when "One" and "Waking Moments" were produced

Geez, are you Braga's wife and Anwar his kid?
Is there really any excuse in the end for making big continuity errors for a script for your own show? I really don't believe there is.

Then why ask the question if you don't want to hear the answers?

You edited your post to include all that script rewriting stuff after I had posted my own response, and is there really any need for the constant rolly eye smilies? Its incredibly obnoxious.

I still don't believe that there is any excuse for such huge continuity errors in any show, especially not when the writer of the script is also the executive producer and has been involved in the show the entire time. Feel free to make all the excuses you want to defend your hero, but I stand by my own opinion.

You can stand by your assertions all you want. It only proves you don't know what you're talking about.