Notably missing characters that would be cool in the next movie.

[The Wormhole]

Dr. M'Benga. Hell, why didn't we see a young medical intern M'Benga studying on Vulcan on XI?

Using the age of the actor who played him in the Original Series as a guide, M'Benga would have been 18 years old in 2258 and just beginning his course of pre-med study. His internship on Vulcan wouldn't happen yet for several years, and may now (due to the non-existence of Vulcan) take place instead at the University Medical Center of Vulcanis Lunar Colony. (The parents of newborn Tuvok will be his next-door neighbors, and his friendship with them will be an influence in their eventual decision to steer Tuvok toward Starfleet Academy.)

So I've been wondering, much has been established about Tuvok, canonically speaking. We know his race is long-lived, and he was alive in the 23rd century. And since Abrams and his cohorts are saying they'd like to provide various links to the other Trek series, this could be a perfect link to Voyager. Have a scene where a young M'Benga is studying. While he's studying, Tuvok's parents walk by with a little baby Tuvok. You know what would make this scene even better? Have Tuvok's dad denouncing leading zeroes as "illogical and unnecessary." The potential is awe-inspiringly awesome.

Discuss.

Yeah, I decided to change it up a little.

 

[James T.Shepard]

nuSpock: As per new Starfleet Regulations, we are required to have a Tactical/Security Officer on the bridge. Thus, I would like to introduce you all to Ms. Janice Rand

That would be cool. I don't like the "Yeoman" thing. You can't make clerical work look cool and would give us an ACTION GIRL in the movie.

 

[od0_ital]

That also brings up something else too. Most of Star Fleets cadet core is gone now. All lost at Vulcan. Those that perhaps would have been alive would certainly not survive the planets destruction. However at the end of the movie the auditorium is full? I would think recruitment would go down if nearly all the cadets lives were lost? Anyway.

Readin' the movie novelization, it specifies that only fourth-year cadets were called into service for the Vulcan alert.

So, think of it as a senior class trip, while the freshman, sophomores & juniors had to stay on campus.

 

[Pauln6]

nuSpock: As per new Starfleet Regulations, we are required to have a Tactical/Security Officer on the bridge. Thus, I would like to introduce you all to Ms. Janice Rand

That would be cool. I don't like the "Yeoman" thing. You can't make clerical work look cool and would give us an ACTION GIRL in the movie.

This is how I feel. I don't object to her being the captain's yeoman though (i.e. not an officer) since she can do that and still be security-trained, plus she can double as his personal security guard to 'protect' him from alien sluts in space bikinis. At least as his personal assistant it gives her a reason to be with him when the action goes down so she can get stuck in.

 

[M'Sharak]

Dr. M'Benga. Hell, why didn't we see a young medical intern M'Benga studying on Vulcan on XI?

Using the age of the actor who played him in the Original Series as a guide, M'Benga would have been 18 years old in 2258 and just beginning his course of pre-med study. His internship on Vulcan wouldn't happen yet for several years, and may now (due to the non-existence of Vulcan) take place instead at the University Medical Center of Vulcanis Lunar Colony. (The parents of newborn Tuvok will be his next-door neighbors, and his friendship with them will be an influence in their eventual decision to steer Tuvok toward Starfleet Academy.)

So I've been wondering, much has been established about Tuvok, canonically speaking. We know his race is long-lived, and he was alive in the 23rd century. And since Abrams and his cohorts are saying they'd like to provide various links to the other Trek series, this could be a perfect link to Voyager. Have a scene where a young M'Benga is studying. While he's studying, Tuvok's parents walk by with a little baby Tuvok. You know what would make this scene even better? Have Tuvok's dad denouncing leading zeroes as "illogical and unnecessary." The potential is awe-inspiringly awesome.

Discuss.

Yeah, I decided to change it up a little.

Fair enough.

I was just surprised at how neatly and easily it all worked out. I didn't even have to bend anything.

 

[Nerys Myk]

That also brings up something else too. Most of Star Fleets cadet core is gone now. All lost at Vulcan. Those that perhaps would have been alive would certainly not survive the planets destruction. However at the end of the movie the auditorium is full? I would think recruitment would go down if nearly all the cadets lives were lost? Anyway.

Readin' the movie novelization, it specifies that only fourth-year cadets were called into service for the Vulcan alert.

So, think of it as a senior class trip, while the freshman, sophomores & juniors had to stay on campus.

"Dear Mom and Dad,
I was held back for failing Warp Physics.

LUCKY ME!!!!!!!"

 

[ipirate65]

Please, everybody... you KNOW you want it...

Harry Mudd

 

[The Wormhole]

Using the age of the actor who played him in the Original Series as a guide, M'Benga would have been 18 years old in 2258 and just beginning his course of pre-med study. His internship on Vulcan wouldn't happen yet for several years, and may now (due to the non-existence of Vulcan) take place instead at the University Medical Center of Vulcanis Lunar Colony. (The parents of newborn Tuvok will be his next-door neighbors, and his friendship with them will be an influence in their eventual decision to steer Tuvok toward Starfleet Academy.)

So I've been wondering, much has been established about Tuvok, canonically speaking. We know his race is long-lived, and he was alive in the 23rd century. And since Abrams and his cohorts are saying they'd like to provide various links to the other Trek series, this could be a perfect link to Voyager. Have a scene where a young M'Benga is studying. While he's studying, Tuvok's parents walk by with a little baby Tuvok. You know what would make this scene even better? Have Tuvok's dad denouncing leading zeroes as "illogical and unnecessary." The potential is awe-inspiringly awesome.

Discuss.

Yeah, I decided to change it up a little.

Fair enough.

I was just surprised at how neatly and easily it all worked out. I didn't even have to bend anything.

Just so we're clear, when I said I "changed it up a little" I was referring to my "So I've been wondering" rant, which as you'll note is quite different from the Morn, -der- I mean norm. You'll note the lack of refarances to alien night clubs, for one. I was not changing anything about your theory.

Which is actually a pretty sound theory and works within established canon. Go get a job with Paramount. I demand you be Trek XII's continuity consultant.

 

[sbk1234]

Honestly, I think they had too many old names as it was. I hope they just do a new thing with a great Trek story. No more treading on old ground.

 

[The Wormhole]

Honestly, I think they had too many old names as it was. I hope they just do a new thing with a great Trek story. No more treading on old ground.

Too many old names? Aside from the core cast, we just had Pike, Sarek and Amanda in support roles, and a throwaway referance to Nurse Chapel, and a few of the admirals on Kirk's board of inquiry ahd the same names as the admirals in Court Martial. That's barely anything.

 

[KlingonPredator]

Admiral or Captain Cartwright
Carol Marcus
Commodore Decker
Richard Daystrom
Marla Mcgivers

I'm all for Decker showing up.I'm sure in old Trek Kirk would have had to encounter him at some point before the "Doomsday Machine"

 

[BenRoethig]

That also brings up something else too. Most of Star Fleets cadet core is gone now. All lost at Vulcan. Those that perhaps would have been alive would certainly not survive the planets destruction. However at the end of the movie the auditorium is full? I would think recruitment would go down if nearly all the cadets lives were lost? Anyway.

Readin' the movie novelization, it specifies that only fourth-year cadets were called into service for the Vulcan alert.

So, think of it as a senior class trip, while the freshman, sophomores & juniors had to stay on campus.

Not, a class trip, but the 1st classers are the most ready to serve as junior officers. 2nd-4th class cadets wouldn't be all that used to systems or leadership positions.

 

[M'Sharak]

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Just so we're clear, when I said I "changed it up a little" I was referring to my "So I've been wondering" rant, which as you'll note is quite different from the Morn, -der- I mean norm. You'll note the lack of refarances to alien night clubs, for one.

No, I got that and noted the changes. It was clear.

I was not changing anything about your theory.

Which is actually a pretty sound theory and works within established canon. Go get a job with Paramount. I demand you be Trek XII's continuity consultant.

Wouldn't that be fun? They can find me here just about every day, but I'm sure there are folks better at it than me. This one practically wrote itself.

 

[sbk1234]

Honestly, I think they had too many old names as it was. I hope they just do a new thing with a great Trek story. No more treading on old ground.

Too many old names? Aside from the core cast, we just had Pike, Sarek and Amanda in support roles, and a throwaway referance to Nurse Chapel, and a few of the admirals on Kirk's board of inquiry ahd the same names as the admirals in Court Martial. That's barely anything.

From a story telling standpoint, there was no reason to have Chekov, Sulu, or even Scotty in there. Uhura was given a more substantial role, but I saw no reason why she should have the same name as the original character.
They were just there because JJ felt Star Trek HAD to have the "whole group." IMHO, without the same actors, there isn't any real reason to have them, unless they were genuinely germain to the plot.









(DUCKS!)

 

[Pauln6]

From a story telling standpoint, there was no reason to have Chekov, Sulu, or even Scotty in there. Uhura was given a more substantial role, but I saw no reason why she should have the same name as the original character.
They were just there because JJ felt Star Trek HAD to have the "whole group." IMHO, without the same actors, there isn't any real reason to have them, unless they were genuinely germain to the plot.

(DUCKS!)

Lol - that's only true up to a point. What modern dramas have sussed is that viewers warm to recurring characters even in minor roles and the peril or even death of a recurring character usually has more storytelling impact than the death of some random character.

So for new viewers those character have no meaning (but then neither does Kirk or Spock). For fans, the presence of those characters does have more meaning and placing them in peril or in emotionally challenging scenarios does have a storytelling purpose.

 

[The Wormhole]

From a story telling standpoint, there was no reason to have Chekov, Sulu, or even Scotty in there. Uhura was given a more substantial role, but I saw no reason why she should have the same name as the original character.
They were just there because JJ felt Star Trek HAD to have the "whole group." IMHO, without the same actors, there isn't any real reason to have them, unless they were genuinely germain to the plot.

Actually, when you put it that way, I agree with you. When I first heard the early rumours that this was going to Kirk and Spock's origin story, I thought it would be exactly that. The story of Kirk and Spock's first mission. That may actually have been a more interesting story as opposed to all the TOS gang meeting up all at once. Just watch TOS, they don't all meet at the same time. Kirk, Spock, Scotty, and Sulu did. Then McCoy and Uhura arrive later on, and finally Chekov at a later point.

 

[Ronson2k10]

Like stirring the pot. You will need all the ingredients even you don't really taste them to start off with.

Sulu had to learn the ship controls (delay saved the Enterprise)
Chekov had to be able to save Sulu and Kirk (although in TOS he never operated the transporter)
Scotty needed to learn Trans Warp Beaming (put Kirk in a position to take command)
- Spock just couldn't tell the little green dude how to do it... Even if he could understand him.

I think it was important to introduce the new cast even if their roles weren't tremendous in stature. The next movie can avoid such introductions and the parts are free to get deeper with out all of us goin (who does he think he is?). I do think they tried to give them something important in the story. Clearly the story was about Kirk and Spock there rocky beginning and eventual trust of each other.

I was pleasantly surprised by the actor playing Mr Scott. After seeing Simon Pegg in pure comedy roles I thought he would be a bit of joke (not a good thing for an engineer) He surprised me though. He didn't show the meticulousness of the Scotty Prime let's say but I thought he played him quite well. Looking forward to some really good dialog from him in the next movie (hoping anyway). Favorite episode with Mr Scott having a pretty big part of was 'That Which Survives'. Mr Scott has to interrupt the energy flow to the engines before the ship explodes or is torn apart under the stress from the engines over loading. James Doohan's father was a chemical engineer so I'm sure his knowledge while not being directly related to Trek was quite useful.

 

[Ronson2k10]

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[Pauln6]

Like stirring the pot. You will need all the ingredients even you don't really taste them to start off with.

Sulu had to learn the ship controls (delay saved the Enterprise)
Chekov had to be able to save Sulu and Kirk (although in TOS he never operated the transporter)
Scotty needed to learn Trans Warp Beaming (put Kirk in a position to take command)
- Spock just couldn't tell the little green dude how to do it... Even if he could understand him.

I was pleasantly surprised by the actor playing Mr Scott. After seeing Simon Pegg in pure comedy roles I thought he would be a bit of joke (not a good thing for an engineer) He surprised me though. He didn't show the meticulousness of the Scotty Prime let's say but I thought he played him quite well. Looking forward to some really good dialog from him in the next movie (hoping anyway).

I loved Anton Yelchin's performance but if I'm completely honest, I would have preferred Janice Rand appearing instead of Chekov. Although I do understand why they went with Chekov (i.e. he was one of the 'big 7') they did have to go out of their way to include him (aging him) and out of their way to make him shine (suddenly Chekov is a transporter whiz even though he never was in the show).

Although Janice is a less well-known character, her presence could have evened up the imbalance of the sexes in the film a little bit, she has great comic potential, she was a trained transporter technician, and she was no stranger to killing people on the transporter pad .

Chekov, much like Robin in the Batman franchise, could have been given his own origin story in a sequel. The fans would have understood why he wasn't there and the non-fans don't know who the hell he is anyway.

Simon Pegg's version of Scotty was my least favourite interpretation (he comes across far too much like a mad scientist) but hopefully he will tone it down a bit more in the sequel.

 

[cooleddie74]

1.) Gary Mitchell.

2.) Finnegan.

3.) Carol Marcus and her infant son David.

4.) Lee Kelso.

5.) Lieutenant Kevin Riley.