Trek XII Will NOT Be A Remake
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The notion of Cupcake being Finnegan has been raised before, but consider: alt-timeline Kirk enters the Academy at a later age than his Prime-timeline analogue, so the would-be tormentor alt-Finnegan would likely have been, graduated and gone on to active duty before Kirk arrived. By the same token, Kirk becomes an Academy instructor later in the alt-timeline than in the prime-verse (or not at all, as far as we know) and may never meet Mitchell in an Academy setting. It may make more sense not to see Finnegan or Mitchell or Ben Finney (or Rose or Carol Marcus or Captain Garrovick, etc., etc.) because alt-Kirk's personal Starfleet timeline is quite different.
No one directly involved in the film ever talked about remaking TWOK, so I'm not sure why fans got so wrapped around the axle of that "possibility."
What has been suggested is that Khan might be the adversary in the next film.
Nothing said in this interview precludes or contradicts or even diminishes the likelihood, such as it may be, of Khan being the adversary in the next film.
What has been suggested is that Khan might be the adversary in the next film.
Nothing said in this interview precludes or contradicts or even diminishes the likelihood, such as it may be, of Khan being the adversary in the next film.
I've read that the writers want to make a story first, then decide who (or what) can fit into it, while Abrams himself is the one that has commented on using Kahn, more or less because they could (as it's a new universe/timeline). In any case, I am with several others in that I didn't always necessarily feel that this was a TWOK remake, perhaps not even a "Space Seed" remake, but banking on the popularity of the character and doing it "just because" which is a stupid idea, whether or not it could "work" or not and make money isn't the issue, it's the fact that after one movie they'd be moving onto a character (or event, etc...) that's already been used to try and stay a success. Kahn to be, is also one of those things that worked because of the portrayal and the fact he was used once or twice... Anyway, now I am kind of just going on and on, having lost my train of thought, so I'll end this post.
What difference does the Kirk-Mitchell-Finnegan age make? Sulu, Chekov and Uhura were all on the Enterprise with Pike in alt-vers, so any kind of age-to-action parallels with prime-verse are out the window at this point anyway.
I do hope that this is at least part of the next movie. The destruction of Vulcan is a huge blow to the Star Trek universe. I would hate to see the impact of that event to not be explored.
In some ways it's much like the death of Spock in TWOK. The destruction of Vulcan makes the Romulans that much more powerful. If they had a mind to they could perhaps finish the job that Nero started. There are several possibilities here.
'Journey to Babel' for instance..
Where the Orions were trying to stop the admission of Coridan to the Federation. They seem to be bit of a power broker and the pirate action at or near Coridan would be pretty cool. We also have the Orion girl Gaila that is perhaps a member of the Enterprise crew. I didn't catch her assignment but she seemed pretty happy about it and the Enterprise seemed to be the ship of choice for the cadets. She could be conflicted by the decisions that the federation make as well as having to fight against her homeland. Coridan was clearly looking for federation assistance from the pirates raiding their transport routes. A story that perhaps couldn't have been done in movie form before as they had visited that in TOS.
It has all the makings of a really good actioner and if you add in the cloak and dagger aspects and the prime directive it's a home run perhaps? Orion could be the Iraq of current times. In the best tradition of trek mirroring current events. One thing they have always done. Even in the movies. The destruction of Praxis STVI like Chernobyl and the fall of the Soviet Union.
To continue with the Babel story..
Gaila could be wrongly accused of spying for them. As prejudice still exists (nu-trek). We haven't seen much of the Orions so new ships and crews and language perhaps. As well as that of Coridan.
Does Kirk stand up for his love or does he agree with the Federation?
If the federation forces Kirk to withdraw from Coridan (prime directive) and Coridan is devastated it could mark a turning point on his acceptance of the prime directive. Orion being the power brokers that they are who's side do the see taking over and therefore wish to help. Is the Federation secretly working to keep Orion busy? I'm sure there is a story to be told here...
Tossing the possible storyline ball around..
'Journey to Babel' for instance..
Where the Orions were trying to stop the admission of Coridan to the Federation. They seem to be bit of a power broker and the pirate action at or near Coridan would be pretty cool. We also have the Orion girl Gaila that is perhaps a member of the Enterprise crew. I didn't catch her assignment but she seemed pretty happy about it and the Enterprise seemed to be the ship of choice for the cadets. She could be conflicted by the decisions that the federation make as well as having to fight against her homeland. Coridan was clearly looking for federation assistance from the pirates raiding their transport routes. A story that perhaps couldn't have been done in movie form before as they had visited that in TOS.
It has all the makings of a really good actioner and if you add in the cloak and dagger aspects and the prime directive it's a home run perhaps? Orion could be the Iraq of current times. In the best tradition of trek mirroring current events. One thing they have always done. Even in the movies. The destruction of Praxis STVI like Chernobyl and the fall of the Soviet Union.
To continue with the Babel story..
Gaila could be wrongly accused of spying for them. As prejudice still exists (nu-trek). We haven't seen much of the Orions so new ships and crews and language perhaps. As well as that of Coridan.
Does Kirk stand up for his love or does he agree with the Federation?
If the federation forces Kirk to withdraw from Coridan (prime directive) and Coridan is devastated it could mark a turning point on his acceptance of the prime directive. Orion being the power brokers that they are who's side do the see taking over and therefore wish to help. Is the Federation secretly working to keep Orion busy? I'm sure there is a story to be told here...
Tossing the possible storyline ball around..
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Yeah, that would be as crazy as recasting Kirk and... oh wait.
Really, people's reactions to this seem almost identical to the idea of Trek XI.
And yes, I think they should use Khan. Maybe not right away, but this is the TOS universe.
They should feel free to use ALL the toys in the toybox, as well as make new ones.
Using Khan seems as good an idea as using Uhura, or Kang, or Koloth.
The original crew encountered these things.
I can picture it now...
Spock: Starfleet has informed of us that a Starship has been taken over by a group of madmen. They are being lead by an augmented human.
Spock hands Kirk a picture of a man that looks suspicously like Ricardo Montalban.
Kirk: I'll look into it.
Kirk leaps off the building and glides away.
Star Trek XII ends.
I'd be into that.
The idea that they have this awesome toybox, but they can't play with all the toys to avoid giving nerds the vapors (again), just baffles me.
Fortunately, recasting the TOS crew, and then throwing Pike in, showed they don't give a shit about giving nerds the vapors, so I'm confident they'll make the movie they want to make.
Still confused by people who want all the best toys off limits though. Reminds me of kids that put their X-men comics in mylar bags cause "they were going to be valuable someday".
Personally, I'd prefer Kor over Khan. They should make Kor Kirk's opposite and equal. Both are equally competent starship commanders. Kirk's job is to protect the Federation, Kor's to "protect" or at least serve the interests of his Empire. Problem is, these priorities clash with each other. They don't hate each other, but they play for different teams with different agendas. And this means that Kirk has to stop Kor.
I would love this. I never really considered Khan to be Kirk's nemesis. He was a random bad guy that had 2 appearances. As good as TWOK might be, Khan was a weird choice for the villain.
This has been my feeling, too. If we're going to return to Trek's roots, then let's return to the roots of who the original baddies were supposed to be. The Klingons. And, let's give Kirk someone who's more of a rival than a villain to face off against. Maybe even someone to defeat intellectually rather than physically (as in, "you carried the day today, Kirk, but we'll meet again"). A young, ambitious Klingon version of himself, perhaps. Someone driven by principles other than pure evil, personal gain, or insanity.
As far as Khan goes, the Khan of Space Seed wasn't even the most formidable foe Kirk faced in TOS. I'd say he wasn't even a villain. Kirk was magnanimous with Khan in Space Seed. But after Chekov even reminded Khan of that in TWOK, Khan reminded Chekov that they forgot about him. Basically abandoned him. That created Khan the villain.
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Kor was a random bad guy who had one appearence.
Khan was Kirk's "nemesis" in TWOK because the character had a reason to hold a personal grudge against Kirk.
Four, if you count DS9.
Fuck that noise - no reason to, especially where the question of Kirk's adversaries is concerned.
In that case, two, if you count TAS. Which is equal to how often Khan has appeared.
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