TOS and Gen Y fashion

[Wingsley]

Theiss didn't operate in a vacuum, in some cases he was responding to what he saw happening around him. Mini skirts, hip huggers and body paint were being worn by actresses and "civilians" he saw every day on the street and at the studio. If any thing it shows that fashion is cyclical. And no-doubt some of these designers and trend setters have never seen Star Trek or heard of Mr. Theiss.

Is wearing skimpy clothing "hardcore pornography" now?

That's definitely not what I said.

OH MY GOD!!!! IS THAT A NAKED HIP!!!!!!!!

UNDERWEAR!!!!!! SOMEONE CALL THE VICE SQUAD!!!!!!

The difference between when these images were taken and today is that, back then, maybe 1,000 people got away with wearing that in public, or maybe 10,000 or maybe even 100,000. Now it's more like 10,000,000.

Today, all these fashion trends like the body vandalism (tramp stamps, body piercings, cosmetic surgery, dressing like a hooker) were all originally popularized by XXX movies. Which came first, Barbara Dare showing off her intimate tattoos, or zillions of Gen Y girls running around wearing low-risers to show off their own tramp stamps? Where do you think they got the idea? From the 1980's forward, hardcore pornography has become a powerful vehicle for sexualized fashion, and it obviously has an effect on "mainstream" fashion.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Theiss didn't operate in a vacuum, in some cases he was responding to what he saw happening around him. Mini skirts, hip huggers and body paint were being worn by actresses and "civilians" he saw every day on the street and at the studio. If any thing it shows that fashion is cyclical. And no-doubt some of these designers and trend setters have never seen Star Trek or heard of Mr. Theiss.

Is wearing skimpy clothing "hardcore pornography" now?

That's definitely not what I said.

You said:

The one pervasive trend affecting attitudes and fashion from the mid-80's forward has been the mass-marketing of hardcore pornography.

You're equating fashion trends with "hardcore pornography".

The difference between when these images were taken and today is that, back then, maybe 1,000 people got away with wearing that in public, or maybe 10,000 or maybe even 100,000. Now it's more like 10,000,000.

You missed the point. It was in the media. Just like a Spears video.

Today, all these fashion trends like the body vandalism (tramp stamps, body piercings, cosmetic surgery, dressing like a hooker) were all originally popularized by XXX movies. Which came first, Barbara Dare showing off her intimate tattoos, or zillions of Gen Y girls running around wearing low-risers to show off their own tramp stamps? Where do you think they got the idea? From the 1980's forward, hardcore pornography has become a powerful vehicle for sexualized fashion, and it obviously has an effect on "mainstream" fashion

Yet here you are trying to show that these fashion statements came from a 60s TV show.

Since I've not done a study, I've no idea how many Gen Y Girls watch porn for fashion tips. I don't know who Barabara Dare is so I've no idea if she is "Tramp Zero" in the history of intimate tattoos. I do know that women and girls like to look "sexy". And I know that fashion designers know this and have been designing clothes with that in mind since our ancestors skinned their first meal. I'm also pretty sure that ladies of questionable virtue have been influencing fashion since about that same time, be it red lips, a cinched waist or a tat on the lower back.

Can you vandalize your own "house"?

 

[scotpens]

It's remarkable seeing some of the things they got away with pre-code.
It's kind of weird. We're more repressed now than we were then.

Jane's skimpy jungle g-string in Tarzan, the Ape Man looks a bit risque even today. And then there's that infamous nude swimming sequence (in which a double substituted for the lovely Maureen O'Sullivan). Sadly, she had to put on more clothing after the movie industry started enforcing the Production Code in mid-1934.

But are we really more repressed now? Today, we know what EVERY celebrity looks like naked!

Can you vandalize your own "house"?

Excellent point. It's YOUR body -- do whatever the bloody hell you want with it!

(However, humongous Yakuza-style tattoos are generally not a good idea in Western culture. Especially for job interviews.)

 

[A beaker full of death]

But are we really more repressed now? Today, we know what EVERY celebrity looks like naked!

Yeah, but we're more uptight about it today than we were even in the 70s. When was the last time you saw accidental nippleage or jiggle on tv?

 

[Wingsley]

^ Hmmm. I wonder about that.

Is it a response to the Religious Right that impacted "jiggle TV", so you seldom see a shapely woman in tight pants or skirt walking away from the TV camera? Or is it that professional videography and filmmaking has come to frown upon gratuitous angles on the curves as "bad for business"? It could be that the pro's avoid that kind of "Mudd's Women" angle on the women walking in the corridor out of a desire to be "more professional" because they see that kind of thing as "unprofessional".

Or could it be that modern TV and movies have become so specialized (in the 500 channel universe) that "if you want to see jiggle TV, watch THE GIRLS NEXT DOOR on E"?

 

[Wingsley]

Theiss didn't operate in a vacuum, in some cases he was responding to what he saw happening around him. Mini skirts, hip huggers and body paint were being worn by actresses and "civilians" he saw every day on the street and at the studio. If any thing it shows that fashion is cyclical. And no-doubt some of these designers and trend setters have never seen Star Trek or heard of Mr. Theiss.

Is wearing skimpy clothing "hardcore pornography" now?

You said:
You're equating fashion trends with "hardcore pornography".

I did not equate fashion trends with hardcore pornography. I said fashion trends are being influenced by hardcore pornography. And they obviously are, now more than ever before.

 

[Nerys Myk]

You said:
You're equating fashion trends with "hardcore pornography".

I did not equate fashion trends with hardcore pornography. I said fashion trends are being influenced by hardcore pornography. And they obviously are, now more than ever before.

If they appear in hardcorn porn, they must be part of the pornography, right? And which fashions are those again? Hiphuggers? tattoos? Piercings? All those looks predate the mass-marketing of hardcore pornography. It may just be that the average age of a porn actress is the same age as the women who embrace these trends. I'm pretty sure most of the women I've seen wearing these fashions over the past 20 to 30 years have not been porn actresses. I know a woman of about 60 who hs several tattos and pierces. Works as a school crossing guard.

 

[RandyS]

Plus I couldn't check the Internet from my cellphone, not that I even had a cellphone in 1997.

Yeah, pagers were the big thing. We all thought we were so cool. "Hey, I got a page! I need to... go find a pay phone."

If BSG were done in the '90s it would've been different from the way it was done in the 2000s update. In the '90s, they wouldn't have toned down the shipboard tech (outside of faster-than-light travel) to 20th Century levels, there would be aliens, and it would've more closely resembled the '70s version except "hipper", which would've likely fallen flat on its face.

It probably would have been closer to SAAB or B5.

Christ, now I miss the '90s.

Who doesn't?