Should Americans be required to buy health insurance?

[sidious618]

And as numerous anecdotal examples in this thread alone show, even a lot of people who have health insurance apparently have pretty crappy health care in the US.

Yeah, that'd be a NOPE.

What? I can assure you they do because I am one of those people. As are many others that I know.

 

[Gertch]

And as numerous anecdotal examples in this thread alone show, even a lot of people who have health insurance apparently have pretty crappy health care in the US.

Yeah, that'd be a NOPE.

You have the audacity to tell people who have health care issues that they don't have them? Really?

Was it that hard to twist the above into something you could try to run with?

 

[Gertch]

And as numerous anecdotal examples in this thread alone show, even a lot of people who have health insurance apparently have pretty crappy health care in the US.

Yeah, that'd be a NOPE.

What? I can assure you they do because I am one of those people. As are many others that I know.

If your care is so poor I would suggest finding another doctor. My family's care has been great. But then I ask questions and get referrals to the best available.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

But better to make people uncomfortable in their poverty so they decide to better themselves.

Gosh, yeah, everyone I've ever met who is in poverty sure was living it up. Plasma screen TVs, SUVs, diamond rings, a house in the 'burbs. Poor people got it so great, I tell ya.

 

[Arrqh]

Yeah, that'd be a NOPE.

You have the audacity to tell people who have health care issues that they don't have them? Really?

Was it that hard to twist the above into something you could try to run with?

Twist it? It's what you said! If you have a problem with people calling you out for your own comments... maybe you should be more careful what you're saying?

 

[sidious618]

If your care is so poor I would suggest finding another doctor. My family's care has been great. But then I ask questions and get referrals to the best available.

It's not a bad doctor, it's that the insurance doesn't cover a lot that my family needs. When my sister hurt her foot we had to pay a lot of it out of pocket.

 

[Gertch]

If your care is so poor I would suggest finding another doctor. My family's care has been great. But then I ask questions and get referrals to the best available.

It's not a bad doctor, it's that the insurance doesn't cover a lot that my family needs. When my sister hurt her foot we had to pay a lot of it out of pocket.

Good health care costs, just like anything else. Under the senate bill even some OTC medicines will be going up. Big Pharma, even though they are giving $2B to Obama for health care have already raised prices 9% this year. They'll make that back and more even under UHC.

Tomorrow one of my meds goes up to a tier 3 drug and will cost me more. But for one of the best health care in the world it's worth it.

 

[sidious618]

Good health care costs, just like anything else. Under the senate bill even some OTC medicines will be going up. Big Pharma, even though they are giving $2B to Obama for health care have already raised prices 9% this year. They'll make that back and more even under UHC.

Tomorrow one of my meds goes up to a tier 3 drug and will cost me more. But for one of the best health care in the world it's worth it.

I'm not sure what you're driving at here.

 

[Marc]

Good health care costs, just like anything else. Under the senate bill even some OTC medicines will be going up. Big Pharma, even though they are giving $2B to Obama for health care have already raised prices 9% this year. They'll make that back and more even under UHC.

Tomorrow one of my meds goes up to a tier 3 drug and will cost me more. But for one of the best health care in the world it's worth it.

I'm not sure what you're driving at here.

he's trying to spin an increase in a medication as good thing when the reality is he's been told to bend over and take in the arse sans lube.

Somehow he seems to think that the quality of the health care he gets is equal to the inflated prices he pays for meds.

 

[Squiggy]

Yes, a very small percentage. 50, er 47, er, 40, no wait, 30 million. And about 20 million of those are illegal aliens. So we're going to ruin the health care of 300 million just to give 10 million some coverage and it's going to cost 2.5T. Not including the doctor bill coming up to fill the gaps of the health care bill.

Do you have a link to any of that? If not we're all going to know you just pulled it out of your ass.

 

[Gertch]

Good health care costs, just like anything else. Under the senate bill even some OTC medicines will be going up. Big Pharma, even though they are giving $2B to Obama for health care have already raised prices 9% this year. They'll make that back and more even under UHC.

Tomorrow one of my meds goes up to a tier 3 drug and will cost me more. But for one of the best health care in the world it's worth it.

I'm not sure what you're driving at here.

I'm not driving at anything. Simply saying that good care like we have in the US costs money. Hopefully someday we can have tort reform and insurance across state lines to help reduce costs.

 

[Arrqh]

Good health care costs, just like anything else. Under the senate bill even some OTC medicines will be going up. Big Pharma, even though they are giving $2B to Obama for health care have already raised prices 9% this year. They'll make that back and more even under UHC.

Tomorrow one of my meds goes up to a tier 3 drug and will cost me more. But for one of the best health care in the world it's worth it.

I'm not sure what you're driving at here.

I'm not driving at anything. Simply saying that good care like we have in the US costs money. Hopefully someday we can have tort reform and insurance across state lines to help reduce costs.

And the facts show that healthcare in the US is more expensive then anywhere else in the world and not as good as most other places in the world. So what gives?

The adage "you get what you pay for" is simply too simplistic for reality. Healthcare is overpriced and it's the fault of the insurance industry. So lets fix it!

 

[Gertch]

Yes, a very small percentage. 50, er 47, er, 40, no wait, 30 million. And about 20 million of those are illegal aliens. So we're going to ruin the health care of 300 million just to give 10 million some coverage and it's going to cost 2.5T. Not including the doctor bill coming up to fill the gaps of the health care bill.

Do you have a link to any of that? If not we're all going to know you just pulled it out of your ass.

Uh, what? If you need a link to ANY of that then you haven't listened to any of Obama's speeches on the subject nor watched or read news reports. This is the very basis of the whole health care fiasco.

Glad to see that Attorney Generals are filing suit on Reid for alleged bribery.

 

[Gertch]

Healthcare is overpriced and it's the fault of the insurance industry. So lets fix it!

Health care being overpriced is subjective. Insurance being the only culprit is simplistic and only one cause of high than desired prices.

 

[Arrqh]

Healthcare is overpriced and it's the fault of the insurance industry. So lets fix it!

Health care being overpriced is subjective.

Health care in the US is objectively overpriced. You can easily see this by looking here and then comparing with the standard of care (number of uninsured, infant mortality rate, average life expectancy, etc). The facts do not support your assertions... all you have is ideology.

 

[Thespeckledkiwi]

A lot of the people that have health insurance can barely afford it. We need to help those people out, too.

Or they go into bankruptcy...

 

[Marc]

A lot of the people that have health insurance can barely afford it. We need to help those people out, too.

Or they go into bankruptcy...

I believe that in California now, bankruptcy no longer provides any protection against huge hospital bills.

 

[Gertch]

Healthcare is overpriced and it's the fault of the insurance industry. So lets fix it!

Health care being overpriced is subjective.

Health care in the US is objectively overpriced. You can easily see this by looking here and then comparing with the standard of care (number of uninsured, infant mortality rate, average life expectancy, etc). The facts do not support your assertions... all you have is ideology.

It's been long known that "American life-expectancy numbers are influenced by things that have nothing to do with the quality of the healthcare system, such as highway fatalities, homicides, and obesity."

Apples and oranges between the US and other countries with these numbers. Hopefully that's not what everyone is basing their claims on. It would explain, however, why some seem to think other countries have better health care.

 

[Gertch]

A lot of the people that have health insurance can barely afford it. We need to help those people out, too.

Or they go into bankruptcy...

Bankruptcy or death, bankruptcy or death. I'm thinking, I'm thinking....

 

[Arrqh]

Health care being overpriced is subjective.

Health care in the US is objectively overpriced. You can easily see this by looking here and then comparing with the standard of care (number of uninsured, infant mortality rate, average life expectancy, etc). The facts do not support your assertions... all you have is ideology.

It's been long known that "American life-expectancy numbers are influenced by things that have nothing to do with the quality of the healthcare system, such as highway fatalities, homicides, and obesity."

Apples and oranges between the US and other countries with these numbers. Hopefully that's not what everyone is basing their claims on. It would explain, however, why some seem to think other countries have better health care.

Your link does not address the point that I made. If you don't want to use life expectancy (and saying that this statistic is completely divorced from healthcare is, of course, ridiculously silly) then go for it, there are plenty of other objective stats some of which I have already pointed to and you have ignored.

This isn't apples to oranges. Apparently you believe that the US is so unique that it's on a different planet from the rest of the world; while it's true that many of my American countrymen have issues with recognizing the existence of anything outside US borders as, you know, existing this is an extremely poor line of reasoning. You're doing the debate equivalent of covering your ears and shouting loudly; this generally does not work.

Bankruptcy or death, bankruptcy or death. I'm thinking, I'm thinking....

Yes, we have all been made aware that you think it's appropriate for people to become destitute for the crime of living. Land of the free indeed.