Home for those who dislike this movie?

[DataLives]

Hello,

*I am not trying to cause a problem, I am just finding my way around here.*

Is there a specific forum where I can read comments and thoughts from those who disliked this movie?

I am a life-long Star Trek fan, and so is my husband.

I have serious concerns about the future of true Star Trek, I fear that the popularity of this Abrams film will take it off of the rails forever. Will we ever have a new TV series based in the true timeline - not from the "rebootverse"? Will we have films in the future, based in the regular timeline?

Is there a thread or forum I should be using, or are these sentiments just scattered through all sections? Should I post all Abramsverse issues here?

Thank you very much.

DataLives

 

[startrekrcks]

Not everything is going to please everybody about this film sorry that you didn't like Trek XI Ah Well.

 

[MvRojo]

Future of Trek forum for future stuff, issues with the Abrams-verse probably go here.

 

[Gepard]

This forum is headquarters for all Trek XI discussion, yes. If you're not seeing negative reactions to the movie, that's because most people on this site liked it. But if you look, there are several ongoing threads discussing problems with the movie, the creative team, continuity, etc.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Here is fine.

 

[DataLives]

Thank you very much.

 

[SheliakBob]

Ah. Don't fall for that "most people" yay-saying propaganda!
There are plenty of us around here who are "not at all thrilled" by The Abomination! You should've seen the JJVerse Holy Wars back in spring. An epic clash of yammering fanatics on either side! A titanic struggle between Good and E-Vile the likes of which would've fascinated any Excalbian! (Sadly, it turned out that both sides use pretty much the same methods to achieve their ends.)

The main reason why you'll see mostly favorable posts these days is that those of us who didn't like the film and hated what J.J. did to OUR Trek have pretty much fallen into a sullen quietude. Not much point railing against the NuTrek when it is plainly a success and something we will have to live with for the indefinite (if not perpetual) future.
Well, that and the film has lots of sincere and enthusiastic fans who cannot be faulted for their bubbly joy, no matter how much it annoys curmudgeons like me.
sigh.

I personally still say we ought to form some sort of club or support group to help us get through these dark and bewildering times.

 

[Sky]

I personally still say we ought to form some sort of club or support group to help us get through these dark and bewildering times.

If you decide to create one, count me in.

 

[jstimson]

Mayhaps we should try not to polarize ourselves so much.

Been a Trek fan since the beginning. Trying to be rational about things, I have issues with aspects of every incarnation of the series, including the original series right through to every movie.

I view the latest Trek movie as a pilot for a new series, even if it's just a series of movies. If I judged every past series based just on its pilot I never would have watched most of Trek. Let's face it, Encounter at Farpoint was very weak and really didn't showcase the shining series that TNG became.

And I also am facing the fact that Trek, as it was, does not sell anymore. If the only way for me to see new Trek is to have it sexed up a bit for todays viewers, then let's sex it up. Do I have to like all of it? No. But can I appreciate that there is still a Trek core and the following stories may be more substantial? Yes.

If the next movie sucks, or does not go deeper, or keeps exactly the same flavour and pace, then I may start whining about the death of Trek. But Trek was dying before the last movie anyway so I'm glad to see some new interest regardless of the source.

 

[SheliakBob]

I personally still say we ought to form some sort of club or support group to help us get through these dark and bewildering times.

If you decide to create one, count me in.

It's only a matter of finding a venue and deciding upon a theme (hopefully not entirely negative). Y'know, like The Vulcan Refugee Forum, or The Save Romulus (And Prevent The Abomination From Ever Taking Place) Campaign. In the meantime, just know that you are not alone, oh Brother and Sister Haters! We may not be "legion", but we're surely a century! or perhaps even a cohort! ...facing the hordes of the Nu's. sigh.

 

[SheliakBob]

Y'know, I have never quite understood this whole "Star Trek Was Dying!" thing. Rating were down on the last couple of series, but that's because the Powers That Be kept trying to "reinvent" Trek instead of sticking to the core idea (a ship, named Enterprise, boldly goes. And meets etc.)

I don't believe that there was ever anything wrong with that core. It's the tinkering that caused the problems. That and let's face it, "Nemesis" was not only an awful Trek film, but an excruciatingly bad movie in general.

Trek is a merchandizing franchise that is still raking in at least enough money to keep itself going indefinitely.
I would have preferred a direct to DVD incarnation of Trek to The Abomination and it's unholy "reboot" mentality. But, the studio just never got in touch with me to find out what I wanted. Sad and deplorable that. They won't be getting any Christmas cards from me this year, yesireebob!

 

[Gepard]

...but that's because the Powers That Be kept trying to "reinvent" Trek instead of sticking to the core idea (a ship, named Enterprise, boldly goes. And meets etc.) .

Thus explaining how the series named Enterprise where they boldly went was the first Trek series to get canceled since the original?

 

[startrekwatcher]

I don't see the need for a home for those who disliked the movie to congregate. We can voice our opinions, even if we are in the minority, right here.

re: Star Trek's future
I don't really care for what Abrams has done with Trek but I have simply accepted that the era of when I enjoyed Trek the most is over and move on. Everything comes to an end eventually.

 

[Dukhat]

I would have preferred a direct to DVD incarnation of Trek to The Abomination and it's unholy "reboot" mentality. But, the studio just never got in touch with me to find out what I wanted. Sad and deplorable that. They won't be getting any Christmas cards from me this year, yesireebob!

Although I find your above statement incredibly humorous (which is how you meant it), I feel I should state that you definitely would NOT have preferred a direct-to-DVD incarnation of Trek. Whenever I see someone talking about this, I metaphorically bang my head against the wall, because people don't really understand what "direct-to-DVD" really means.

Direct-to-DVD, quite frankly, is reserved for the most utter crap that should never have been produced to begin with, and it is made solely for whatever meek profits it can reliably wring out. Everyone in the television or movie business also knows that once a TV or movie franchise is earmarked for direct-to-DVD, it's chances of becoming anything more than that are slim to none. It's treated as a laughingstock by producers and audiences alike, and budgets/good writing/good acting for said schlock is miniscule at best. Is that really what you'd wish on Star Trek?

 

[SheliakBob]

...but that's because the Powers That Be kept trying to "reinvent" Trek instead of sticking to the core idea (a ship, named Enterprise, boldly goes. And meets etc.) .

Thus explaining how the series named Enterprise where they boldly went was the first Trek series to get canceled since the original?

Oh. You and your bothersome details! The thing that killed Enterprise was the whole prequel/retcon thing and the fact that for some reason the producers and writers did their best to avoid anything recognizable as "Trek", until the 4th season. (Don't get me wrong, I actually enjoyed Enterprise even if I did grumble through the entire agonizing Xindi arc. blah.

 

[SheliakBob]

Yes. Even knowing that, I would've preferred a dirct to DVD Trek to The Abomination and the reboot, recasting nightmare. I just hate it that much.

I'm told that I represent everything wrong and pathetic and deplorable about Trek fandom. Represent!

 

[Gepard]

Oh. You and your bothersome details!

Yes. Bother that accuracy and it's ability to poke holes in your argument.

 

[Shazam!]

Direct-to-DVD, quite frankly, is reserved for the most utter crap that should never have been produced to begin with, and it is made solely for whatever meek profits it can reliably wring out. Everyone in the television or movie business also knows that once a TV or movie franchise is earmarked for direct-to-DVD, it's chances of becoming anything more than that are slim to none. It's treated as a laughingstock by producers and audiences alike, and budgets/good writing/good acting for said schlock is miniscule at best

 

[Char Aznable]

ITT: Butthurt and acceptance of mediocrity over quality.

"Herp derp, XI wasn't exactly what I Star Trek is to me and my rose tinted glasses! Higgeldy derf!"

 

[3D Master]

...but that's because the Powers That Be kept trying to "reinvent" Trek instead of sticking to the core idea (a ship, named Enterprise, boldly goes. And meets etc.) .

Thus explaining how the series named Enterprise where they boldly went was the first Trek series to get canceled since the original?

Oh. You and your bothersome details! The thing that killed Enterprise was the whole prequel/retcon thing and the fact that for some reason the producers and writers did their best to avoid anything recognizable as "Trek", until the 4th season. (Don't get me wrong, I actually enjoyed Enterprise even if I did grumble through the entire agonizing Xindi arc. blah.

That's the exact opposite. Voyager tanked because it was a bad, studio messed-with TNG 2.0. Enterprise tanked because it was a worse studio messed-with Voyager 2.0.

EVERYBODY recognized Enterprise as Star Trek with one eye-glance. It is exactly the same, with the exact same story telling, and the exact same scenes, and often even plagiarizing previous Star Trek episodes.

The whole problem was that they did NOT try let alone attempt to reinvent the franchise. Or rather the writers and producers tried, but then got shut down by the network/studio execs who were all about making carbon copies of previous Trek shows.

Trek needed a change, and it needed one badly; a Trek that had more drama, more human drama, and less technobabble, without reducing it to a meaningless, "what science?", not even a single hint of accuracy, plot, drama or care pile of shit, that still remained true to its roots. At the same time, it needed to look completely different, sound completely different, be filmed completely different, so different that only long-time, hardcore fans could recognize bits and pieces. In other words, a GENUINE prequel staying true to continuity and canon what was needed...

And then the studios interfered.

And then we got JJ's Trek Wars, that unholy abomination of unprecedented proportions. Remember that reducing to a meaningless "what science?", not even a single hint of accuracy, plot, drama or care pile of shit.

That's what we got: http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=96577

And I just don't get why so many people like it; let alone Star Trek fans. I can't wrap my mind around it. It's bad enough that it is a betrayal of everything that Star Trek was and represented, but it is also just plain a horrible, horrible, horrible movie. I've never seen a movie THIS bad, ever.