State-run health care

Yeah, in all the midst of the arguments about the "deadbeats" and "crooks," we're overlooking the people who have jobs with health care and supposedly "earned" that care.

Where's the concern for justice when the insurance companies arbitrarily drop them?

If that's the case, sign me up.

Yep, and your local public library system works that way, too. My taxes pay for the Univ of Texas System, and I'll never go there. But I'd never begrudge the students whose education I'm helping to pay for. I wouldn't have gone to college had others not done the same before me.

I jumped on Captain Ice's account once when he left the room and waned myself. I was surprised at just how easy it was to do it.

 

^And then turned around and started an MA thread about it too IIRC. With me laughing my ass off the whole time.

I don't think SlaveofSeven did, unless you are talking about another incident besides the one when he resigned as a mod. He was going to, but someone else was online and issued it before he got a chance (me ).

 

The president's approval rating neither proves nor disproves that the vast majority of people that are not currently covered pay little or no taxes. That's what you asserted and that's what I asked for verifiable numbers on. Since you tried to derail us into a conversation about the president I'll assume that that "vast majority" was completely fabricated until it's proven otherwise.

 

I am all for UHC.

Why?

I'd rather my tax dollars go to helping people stay alive rather than, say for instance, funding a war I don't think we should be fighting. I'd rather my tax dollars went to helping some "deadbeat" get well than buying a rifle to shoot some person of color in the head. I'd rather fund a bail out of a poor man's health than bail out some Wall St. suit who bet on the market and lost.

This is the United States of America. Health care is a human right. No one in this country should be denied proper health care. Not for pre-existing conditions. Not for lack of money. I would rather my country defend me against injury, disease and infection than "defend" me against some boogieman foreigner 10,000 miles away that doesn't know I exist and could give a rat's ass about me, you or anyone else on this forum.

 

So, you are against any form of insurance?

 

Yes, well thankfully there is only one Tom Cruise.

Completely agree.

I shall quote Dwight D. Eisenhower

 

I protested your warning, because the guy who issued it was clearly on some kind of power trip.

 

It's a sign of mad power when the only people left to warn are themselves. Jack-booted thuggery!

 

Yes. And boiled down this is the heart of the protest argument from much of the right. And fear mongering has convinced the rest that someone (the government and undeserving "others") are just out to steal from them.

 

I should also mention that getting health insurance for myself was delayed by a year due to an unexpected tax burden, so if I'd been on a public plan for the last year I sure as hell would've been paying for it.

 

Welcome to the Objectivist current of the American right. Seriously, there seems to be a not so insignificant portion of the conservative movement who believe all taxation is theft, period.

Honestly, I don't know what their end game is. Probably not the anarchy they seem to be advocating, though.

 

Ummm, what's socialist about me paying a fee to a company that hires people to provide me with a service?
The only thing socialist there are the unions. I feel public employees should not be legally able to form or join unions.

Healthcare is socialist because you are stealing money through taxes from those that produce to provide for those that do not. Healthcare is not a right.

A military to protect the people is a called for in the Constitution and is not socialist.

Yes, and they lost something like $18B last year. Guess socialism is working well. Time for them to go away as private industry has proven itself to do a better job for a better price.

It's sad that some Americans actually think socialism is a viable option. I'm glad the majority don't think that way or we would really have lost our way.

Public health care as being ruinous for America is settled science. We must make sure the current packages don't pass.

 

What nonsense, the military, police and fire services also provide for people who don't pay their taxes. What a ridiculous argument.

And when it's something you agree with it's a fee, but when you don't like it it's a tax. Feckin' Hilarious

 

That is a matter of opinion. And yours is cruel and despicable.

If you are speaking of constitutional rights consider that the great thing about our constitution is that it is amendable. If the people want to make health care a right, we can do so -- just as was done with voting for women and black men, for example. I believe that our constitution is outdated in this specific regard, and could well be updated. I also think that this is the ONLY humane, decent, and civilized opinion.

Prove it. All the evidence I've seen shows the exact opposite.

 

I think this thread has proved pretty conclusively that you're not really aware what the majority actually think.

Given that you think that injecting harmful silver into people is a valid medical alternative, you using the word "science" is pretty ironic.

 

Whew-boy... taxes≠stealing. This hyperbolic and inaccurate oversimplification alone invalidates your entire post.

 

Just because the constitution calls for a military doesn't mean the military isn't still socialist as it stands today. Why does the military keep stealing my money?

 

Wow. Exihibit A, folks.

 

You're just not getting the code here, hon.

"Socialism" is wing nut for money being spent on anything you don't approve of. Absurd and expensive wars? That's okay, but spending domestically is socialism.

 

Uh, and how it is different from health care? You pay your taxes and you can go to your hospital without having paying a bill? How is different from paying taxes and having the police or fire brigade coming to your house?

This is nutty territory, old man.

Debatable. And again, how it is different from the police? Or do you think that police officers do not come when called by poor people?

And the Constitution can't establish socialist policies by definition? I don't think you know the meaning of the word...

Yeah. Settled science.