Things Don't Look Well In The Ukraine
- Thread starter All Seeing Eye
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At least several thousand in the US
Latest reports I've been able to find were announcing that they had just crossed the 1000 threshold for Swine Flu, do you have a link to something saying at least several thousand?
And to keep this going with numbers, the average annual death numbers for the Regular flu in the US are about 36,000, give or take.
Just saying that everyone is all worried about this one strain, but the regular one kills FAR greater numbers every year, without the hype. Maybe the Swine Flu just got a better PR guy?
And to keep this going with numbers, the average annual death numbers for the Regular flu in the US are about 36,000, give or take.
Just saying that everyone is all worried about this one strain, but the regular one kills FAR greater numbers every year, without the hype. Maybe the Swine Flu just got a better PR guy?
can't be THAT drastic of a change, because people are still dying of the seasonal flu, and you do the same things to avoid both...
Just being another flu strain wouldn't sell many papers or air time, though. By the way it's reported, you'd think this thing is Super AIDS!
Just being another flu strain wouldn't sell many papers or air time, though. By the way it's reported, you'd think this thing is Super AIDS!
Not really fair on the Ukraine. First they go through big political crisis, then a gas crisis, then a financial crisis and then this swine flu.
Yushchenko and Timoshenko probably won't get good scores in the election. Despite all their faults they are the far better then the Pro-Russian candidate who would no doubt take Ukraine away from EU membership and straight into the arms of Rodina Rossiya.
Oh and Ukrainian girls are hot. Shouldn't have to suffer from this kind of garbage.
Yushchenko and Timoshenko probably won't get good scores in the election. Despite all their faults they are the far better then the Pro-Russian candidate who would no doubt take Ukraine away from EU membership and straight into the arms of Rodina Rossiya.
Oh and Ukrainian girls are hot. Shouldn't have to suffer from this kind of garbage.
Difference just being that because it's a rare and somewhat different strain, there's not much immunity to it in the general population, so it has a better chance of getting healthier people than the regular flu strains, which need a little help.
Either way, seasonal flu kills FAR more people than this every year, with little to no fanfare. Unless the argument is that the seasonal flu is boring because it only kills old people that we're tired of...? The media has to love the swine flu, so much extra tragedy to be mined by being able to put up pictures of dead children instead of 80 year old men...
Either way, seasonal flu kills FAR more people than this every year, with little to no fanfare. Unless the argument is that the seasonal flu is boring because it only kills old people that we're tired of...? The media has to love the swine flu, so much extra tragedy to be mined by being able to put up pictures of dead children instead of 80 year old men...
The H1N1 is killing more people according the CDC.
*sighs* Which part about giving sources didn't you understand? Scout backs his stuff up with sources. Now, if you did the same, we could have a conversation in which everybody knows the same.
I haven't been paying a lot of attention to the thread. Or caring. The only reason I'm even on the forum at all is because I'm sick. Still, it's on the CDC website.
Making a statement which is shown to be false, and then backing it up with "i'm not paying attention. Or caring" doesn't make for much of an argument, though.
I've shown numbers that about a thousand people have died of H1N1 this year, whereas the seasonal flu has killed MANY times that number already. Hell, just a random search in google finds a CNN article from April saying that the seasonal flu had killed more than 13,000 since January. If you're keeping track, that's 13x the total number of H1N1 deaths for the whole year, and that's just the stat for January through April. I'm sure I could keep digging and find an accurate number to date, but it's already enough to make your assertations look pretty silly.
If you can't pay attention, or care, perhaps more bedrest and less spreading of false information would be in order?
I've shown numbers that about a thousand people have died of H1N1 this year, whereas the seasonal flu has killed MANY times that number already. Hell, just a random search in google finds a CNN article from April saying that the seasonal flu had killed more than 13,000 since January. If you're keeping track, that's 13x the total number of H1N1 deaths for the whole year, and that's just the stat for January through April. I'm sure I could keep digging and find an accurate number to date, but it's already enough to make your assertations look pretty silly.
If you can't pay attention, or care, perhaps more bedrest and less spreading of false information would be in order?
http://www.idemc.org/read/index.php?pageid=event_index
Statitistic indicate of 800,000 cases of swine flu, with about 3400 deaths.
Statitistic indicate of 800,000 cases of swine flu, with about 3400 deaths.
That list is hopelessly outdated indeed. It lists 1 death in the Netherlands; that's up to 10 right now, with 335 people in hospitals with a confirmed case of swine flu.
... That's still, like, a fraction of the people that die from the normal flu (up to 2000 a year here in Holland). So I think we'll get immune people really soon. We should get them, by the way, as I think that the human defensive systems have become WAY too lazy since the introduction of modern medicine.
Here's a funny fact: some people are imune to a certain strain of HIV. Why? Because they're the descendants of survivors of the plague way back then, by which means they miss a certain protein that particular strain needs to connect to white blood cells. Funny thing, evolution, isn't it?
... That's still, like, a fraction of the people that die from the normal flu (up to 2000 a year here in Holland). So I think we'll get immune people really soon. We should get them, by the way, as I think that the human defensive systems have become WAY too lazy since the introduction of modern medicine.
Here's a funny fact: some people are imune to a certain strain of HIV. Why? Because they're the descendants of survivors of the plague way back then, by which means they miss a certain protein that particular strain needs to connect to white blood cells. Funny thing, evolution, isn't it?
an entertaining irony is that I've got the flu right now. Woke up feeling kinda shitty, and by lunchtime, decided to call it a day at work. Fever, coughing, all that fun stuff. Gotta go to the Dr in the morning and get some tamiflu, maybe get swabbed for H1N1 while I'm there, just to check...
All Seeing Eye
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Well from what I've been reading there's seems to be a possibility of a mutation of the Virus in the Ukraine which is far more deadly and contagious. 
If this thing supposedly gets out of control perhaps you wont be getting a choice of taking the vaccine.
Holy cow bag! have you seen how many confirmed cases there are in the Ukraine! 478,000!
I was under the impression that if you had Flu like symptoms you were not allowed into the Doctors and had to have Flu medication delivered to you.
If this thing supposedly gets out of control perhaps you wont be getting a choice of taking the vaccine.
Holy cow bag! have you seen how many confirmed cases there are in the Ukraine! 478,000!
I was under the impression that if you had Flu like symptoms you were not allowed into the Doctors and had to have Flu medication delivered to you.
Just to clarify: if the virus did mutate into something much more virulent (which is the word you're looking for - Flu is contagious no matter what strainWell from what I've been reading there's seems to be a possibility of a mutation of the Virus in the Ukraine which is far more deadly and contagious.
If this thing supposedly gets out of control perhaps you wont be getting a choice of taking the vaccine.
) then there is a chance the current vaccines will not be effective, as they can only act against strains for which the precise viral antigens are known. This is why in the face of a pandemic of a new Flu virus, antiviral drugs like oseltamivir (Tamiflu®) are used a lot.The official word from the National Pandemic Flu Service is, once diagnosed through whatever means is available, to then arrange a "Flu Buddy"
to pick up the antivirals for you.Get well soon, Scout.
