Things Don't Look Well In The Ukraine
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Supreme Admiral
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How terrible.
All Seeing Eye
Admiral
They are already starting to quarantine. There's talk of postponing the Ukrainian elections that are coming up.
Whatever this thing is if it spreads we're all in deep trouble.
I really hope everyone has a tip top immune system that hasn't been compromised..
Whatever this thing is if it spreads we're all in deep trouble.
I really hope everyone has a tip top immune system that hasn't been compromised..
It was released here in Canada last week and the line-ups once it went public (after health workers got first dibs) were 4-6 hours long and now they're running out, as the next round of vaccinations shipped out are the ones specially made for little ones and pregnant women.
I'm not planning on getting it anyway, even though as a teacher I work with the public, and there's been half a dozen confirmed cases at my school. We just keep teaching the students good hygiene and have sanitizer in each classroom.
I'm not planning on getting it anyway, even though as a teacher I work with the public, and there's been half a dozen confirmed cases at my school. We just keep teaching the students good hygiene and have sanitizer in each classroom.
Why the long waits?
My health centre sent out letters at the beginning of the month to people with underlying health problems. When I got mine I simply had to phone up and make an appointment for the sister to give me my vaccination. I rang up was given an appointment for the following week.
I was advised to turn up 10 minutes before my appointment to fill in some forms. There were three other people filling in the forms. The sister came out and asked if anyone was ready. I handed her my form, went into her room, she put the info from the form onto her computer, gave me the injection and walked out with me so she could get her next patient. I was told I had to wait for 15 minutes before leaving in case I had a reaction. I spent a few minutes helping a couple of people who couldn't fill in their forms by themseves and soon after I left.
From the moment I walked in until I left was about 25 minutes.
The sister told me she had vaccinated hundreds of people over the previous two weeks.
My health centre sent out letters at the beginning of the month to people with underlying health problems. When I got mine I simply had to phone up and make an appointment for the sister to give me my vaccination. I rang up was given an appointment for the following week.
I was advised to turn up 10 minutes before my appointment to fill in some forms. There were three other people filling in the forms. The sister came out and asked if anyone was ready. I handed her my form, went into her room, she put the info from the form onto her computer, gave me the injection and walked out with me so she could get her next patient. I was told I had to wait for 15 minutes before leaving in case I had a reaction. I spent a few minutes helping a couple of people who couldn't fill in their forms by themseves and soon after I left.
From the moment I walked in until I left was about 25 minutes.
The sister told me she had vaccinated hundreds of people over the previous two weeks.
Canada didn't make enough, IIRC. Neither did America but luckily my school has them so I'm getting mine tomorrow. I'm very excited about this.
Around here there is a terrible shortage of both the seasonal flu vaccine and H1N1. It's become almost impossible to find. More is due, they say, in mid November.
I'm not planning on getting, either, in any case; I don't want to take anything away from the high-risk population. Since I'm not high-risk and I work from home now, I don't think I have to worry about it.
I'm not planning on getting, either, in any case; I don't want to take anything away from the high-risk population. Since I'm not high-risk and I work from home now, I don't think I have to worry about it.
Nardpuncher
Rear Admiral
Well, I'm reading The Stand again, if that helps.
All Seeing Eye
Admiral
Supreme Admiral
Captain
Man, this is bloody mad.
I don't want to sound like a germaphobe, but I just started attending Episcopalin services. Since we use a common cup for services, and some people drink from it, should I be worried? 
CD,
Used to the self serve little cups you get at the altar in Methodist churches
CD,
Used to the self serve little cups you get at the altar in Methodist churches
It sounds bad, but 60 deaths out of a population of 45million is not a huge number. The number of deaths in the US from the illness is at the very least 10 times that. At least 500 people died from the flu in September & October (with 3,000 dying from confirmed or unconfirmed flu). Which is really bad. For the last few weeks nearly 10% of people hospitalized for the flu died.
All Seeing Eye
Admiral
Yeh but the difference is that the Ukraine deaths and cases have sky-rocketed in a mere week or 2 and they're all in one area of the country and is starting to spread which is why they've implemented levels of quarantine.
On some of the news sites around that require translation many of the cases are said to be as yet unidentified and may not be the H1N1.
If you wanna really get the information you're best off searching out none English news sites (preferably Ukrainian
) and get the articles translated.
60 deaths isn't really skyrocketing, is it?
Seems to be a lot of sensationalism about the whole Swine Flu thing, here and abroad. No one wants to bring it up, but more people die of regular flu every year than have even been mentioned with the H1N1 hype. If you came on the news a couple years ago with an announcement that 12 people in the US died of the flu today, it wouldn't be enough of a blip to get a mention...
Seems like the media wants an epidemic scare so they can report it. H1N1 is a strong strain, but not that out of the ordinary, and not nearly worth the hype it gets.
Seems to be a lot of sensationalism about the whole Swine Flu thing, here and abroad. No one wants to bring it up, but more people die of regular flu every year than have even been mentioned with the H1N1 hype. If you came on the news a couple years ago with an announcement that 12 people in the US died of the flu today, it wouldn't be enough of a blip to get a mention...
Seems like the media wants an epidemic scare so they can report it. H1N1 is a strong strain, but not that out of the ordinary, and not nearly worth the hype it gets.
All Seeing Eye
Admiral
60 deaths over a period of about a month or two would not be sky-rocketing. 60 deaths over a short period of about a week or two is sky-rocketing.
It's not the number of deaths that determines whether deaths have sky-rocketed it's the time period in which the deaths occur.
The demand was more than the supply.
This was after the health workers got theirs, then the high risk groups. It didn't open to the public until a few days ago.
We just got a new shipment, but it is the weaker vaccine for pregnant women and children under 5. They should have more for the general public in the next couple of weeks.
I'm not getting it anyway; I just upped the hygiene (always good practices!) for myself and my students
I still disagree. Not with your reasoning (how to determine whether something is skyrocketing), but your conclusion.
I don't have hard numbers, but I'd be willing to put hard money down that you could show plenty of other things that caused more than 60 deaths over that timeframe. H1N1 probably isn't in the top 10 for causes of death over that time period.
While the flu IS a concern, it's hardly the black plague, nor the flu of 1918. Just sensationalism by the media, which spins up everything else. Death rates from the regular ol' flu, on a regular year, beats the death rates you've quoted.
Edit: on an average year, approximately 36,000 people die of the regular ol' seasonal flu in the US alone. How many have died of H1N1 worldwide since it was announced early this year? a couple hundred?
