• Welcome! The TrekBBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans.
    If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

Nerys Ghemor's DS9 Episode Review Thread

Wow. I'm sure that has to be the most in-depth review of Move Along Home you're likely to find anywhere.:bolian:

I s'pose it's just one of those episodes that's like Fascination: some utterly loathe it, while others don't take it seriously and have fun with the premise. I'm stubbornly in the former sect (no reason for me to get into it yet again), but I do agree there are little things about it that have their charms. For the record, I do find the Wadi somewhat intriguing as a race.
 
I didn't hate Move Along Home. I didn't love it, either, but I didn't find anything to hate. It was pretty whimsical, and Siddig's acting was god awful in a few scenes, but overall, it was OK. I think the thing that actually bothered me the most about it, and this is true of many episodes in which Quark does something that places people on the station or the station itself in danger, is that Quark suffered no real consequences for any of his actions. I found the Wadi themselves rather interesting in concept. Like with many Gamma Quadrant races, I wish we could've seen and explored a bit more of them.
 
I didn't hate Move Along Home. I didn't love it, either, but I didn't find anything to hate. It was pretty whimsical, and Siddig's acting was god awful in a few scenes, but overall, it was OK. I think the thing that actually bothered me the most about it, and this is true of many episodes in which Quark does something that places people on the station or the station itself in danger, is that Quark suffered no real consequences for any of his actions. I found the Wadi themselves rather interesting in concept. Like with many Gamma Quadrant races, I wish we could've seen and explored a bit more of them.

I have to agree with you there, I wish they'd followed up on more of the 1st season Gamma Quadrant races, but I suppose after they created the Dominion it wasn't exactly plausible... Then again, it could have been interesting to see which of those races was already part of the Dominion and which were against them, etc.

In particular I liked the Wadi, the Tosk + Hunters, and the Skreea - well, okay, I didn't particularly like the Skreea themselves, but the episode had such an interesting moral dilemna - one which I can't help but relate to the current situation here in Australia, of refugees being sent away to other countries (like Indonesia). I'm again reminded of how timeless the episodes of Star Trek can be, the issues they brought up back in the 90s are still being faced today, so Star Trek - and DS9 especially - is as relevant as ever.

Back on topic, I thought the episode was pretty good - though I often wondered how Sisko and the crew would have acted if they'd know they wouldn't die... I want to see them win the game! :lol:
 
Move Along Home is a bit underrated, but I find it to be one of the worse outings of the season. The Wadi were quite annoying, and Quark's grovelling was a bit too much to bear.

The concept of the episode was rather good on paper, but in the actual episode, there were too many annoyances from Allamarainian topics for me to enjoy it. I also hate the fact that despite Bashir getting 'killed' in the game, he comes back as easily as the others at the end. There should have been something extra for Quark to give up before the Wadi returned Bashir.
 
Perhaps (and this is what I suspect) making him give up his dignity the way he had to for awhile there was the best way to go, from a Wadi point of view.

Quark AND Garak both are good at escaping punishment for things they should've, I'll give you that. Sisko, too--Starfleet should've court-martialed him and put him away for life, for the WMD stunt he pulled in the DMZ. But then such logical consequences would remove one of the star characters from the show... ;)
 
Quark AND Garak both are good at escaping punishment for things they should've, I'll give you that. Sisko, too--Starfleet should've court-martialed him and put him away for life, for the WMD stunt he pulled in the DMZ. But then such logical consequences would remove one of the star characters from the show... ;)

Garak was sent to prison for six months during the time of the show. Nothing ever happened to Quark.
 
Yeah but he got only six months for attempted genocide and considering that he would have started a war that would have destroyed Cardassia he got off very lightly.

(what is it with the agents of the Obsidan Order and their harebrained schemes?)
 
Yeah but he got only six months for attempted genocide and considering that he would have started a war that would have destroyed Cardassia he got off very lightly.

(what is it with the agents of the Obsidan Order and their harebrained schemes?)

Damar murdered Ziyal and got no consequences at all. What is it with Central Command lugheads and their love affair with phasers? :lol:
 
^:rommie: You've got me there but at least the Central Command doesn't start an inter-quadrant war (well, not on most days anyway;))

Oh and Damar did hit the bottle pretty hard afterwards...
 
Yeah but he got only six months for attempted genocide and considering that he would have started a war that would have destroyed Cardassia he got off very lightly.

(what is it with the agents of the Obsidan Order and their harebrained schemes?)

Damar murdered Ziyal and got no consequences at all. What is it with Central Command lugheads and their love affair with phasers? :lol:

This is why the Detapa Council is the government branch of choice. We don't do anything too outrageous-though we are often on the receiving end of harebrained schemes and phasers :shifty:. And we get consequences- we all get executed! :cardie: That'll teach us to keep our heads down and not drag Cardassia into conflict with powerful alien empires...;)
 
Yeah but he got only six months for attempted genocide and considering that he would have started a war that would have destroyed Cardassia he got off very lightly.

(what is it with the agents of the Obsidan Order and their harebrained schemes?)

Damar murdered Ziyal and got no consequences at all. What is it with Central Command lugheads and their love affair with phasers? :lol:

This is why the Detapa Council is the government branch of choice. We don't do anything too outrageous-though we are often on the receiving end of harebrained schemes and phasers :shifty:. And we get consequences- we all get executed! :cardie: That'll teach us to keep our heads down and not drag Cardassia into conflict with powerful alien empires...;)
The Detapa Council started rebellign, and it wasn't long before the entire population was in rebellion to them. And it started the Klingon War. What is it with the Council and their lack of foresight?
 
Damar murdered Ziyal and got no consequences at all. What is it with Central Command lugheads and their love affair with phasers? :lol:

This is why the Detapa Council is the government branch of choice. We don't do anything too outrageous-though we are often on the receiving end of harebrained schemes and phasers :shifty:. And we get consequences- we all get executed! :cardie: That'll teach us to keep our heads down and not drag Cardassia into conflict with powerful alien empires...;)
The Detapa Council started rebellign, and it wasn't long before the entire population was in rebellion to them. And it started the Klingon War. What is it with the Council and their lack of foresight?

The Klingons started the Klingon War--period. That wasn't the Detapa Council's fault in the slightest.
 
Quick note to you guys--the next review will be of "The Vortex," not "The Nagus."

I decided that the plotline of "The Nagus" did not grab my attention sufficiently, and therefore I will skip ahead. I'll be doing that with episodes I don't feel like watching (stuff like "Chrysalis," the majority of the Mirror Universe episodes, and so on), so I can spend more time with what I enjoy the most.

FYI this is not a generalized attitude towards "Ferengi episodes" and I actually liked a number of them.

So...tomorrow, look forward to "The Vortex"!
 
Well, "The Vortex" did not disappoint...this was a pretty decent episode, and one that when I saw the plight of Yareth, even got a tear out of me. But there was a LOT more I was paying attention to, on a rewatch, than the basic plot (and sometimes Croden was just tooooooo much to put up with, both in terms of the bad Rakhari makeup job...so lame in comparison to the awesome-looking Miradorn, and his annoying voice, mannerisms, and personality).

This episode is key, though, because it seems to have laid a lot of the groundwork early on for who the Founders would turn out to be: here we have the story of the Founders' persecution, as well as some tidbits about their cultural worldview (paranoid, harsh in judgment) that are later used by the Founders. On the other hand, knowing what we now know about the Dominion, it is actually quite interesting to wonder what the implications would've been if there HAD been a Changeling colony somewhere--that could've signified a breakway Link, so to speak. Of course, as we find out, Croden was lying. But the odd thing is, the environment of the Vortex turns out to be MUCH like the kinds of places we later saw the Great Link residing, so it makes one wonder if he drew on old local legends to spin his story.

I wish we would've seen more shapeshifting amulets--did Odo keep the one he had? Could it have been used to figure out more about the Founders before the Federation ever encountered them? Just how "alive" is it? Does it have to be "trained" to take the key shape, and is it similar to how Dr. Mora tried to "train" Odo?

I found myself wondering if, in the tidbits we get about the Rakhari, if we were getting a little "pre-work" on what the Cardassian government was going to be like, because I found myself almost reacting to the plight of Croden's family like I would to a Cardassian exile. This was complicated, however, by the fact that Croden showed himself to be just as used to lying as Garak (although nowhere near as smooth or endearing in his manner--quite awkward, in fact).

We had another great Quark moment, in seeing him actually seem to genuinely feel bad about sending Odo to his death (or so he thought). This one actually seemed less ambiguous than the similar moment in "Move Along Home," and forecasts later episodes (including the one where he and Odo were stranded by themselves).

In the continuity corner...I have some nitpicks. How did Croden THAT easily figure out the controls for a Federation runabout?? Also, we have the glaring incident of Odo actually being KO'ed by a falling rock--which calls into question JUST how many properties he adopts of that into which he shapeshifts. Finally, we have a Vulcan stating she was "afraid." Even in a figurative sense, this is quite imprecise for a Vulcan!
 
Well, "The Vortex" did not disappoint...this was a pretty decent episode, and one that when I saw the plight of Yareth, even got a tear out of me. But there was a LOT more I was paying attention to, on a rewatch, than the basic plot (and sometimes Croden was just tooooooo much to put up with, both in terms of the bad Rakhari makeup job...so lame in comparison to the awesome-looking Miradorn, and his annoying voice, mannerisms, and personality).

I wish we had seen more of the Miradorn. They get mentioned in season five, and they show up in one of the Corps of Engineers books, but they were interesting enough to be explored in more depth. I like their makeup, too, particularly the flaps of skin and the ornamental "collars" they slot through them. What's interesting is that season five suggested they were a race of some significance- they're mentioned alongside the Romulans, Tholians and Bajor as nations with which the Dominion signed non-aggression pacts. It seems therefore like they must be reasonably influential, and if so where is Miradorn space? They might be a "local" power like Bajor or Lissepia, in which case they need not be too powerful, but seeing as we never see Miradorn wandering around in the background- unlike Lissepians, Kressari, Kobheerians, Xepolites etc- it would appear they aren't from the Cardassian border, which implies their territory might well be expansive for the Dominion to consider them worth signing treaties with.

I'm not surprised we never saw the Rakhari again, though, despite their being reasonably interesting here.

This episode is key, though, because it seems to have laid a lot of the groundwork early on for who the Founders would turn out to be: here we have the story of the Founders' persecution, as well as some tidbits about their cultural worldview (paranoid, harsh in judgment) that are later used by the Founders. On the other hand, knowing what we now know about the Dominion, it is actually quite interesting to wonder what the implications would've been if there HAD been a Changeling colony somewhere--that could've signified a breakway Link, so to speak. Of course, as we find out, Croden was lying. But the odd thing is, the environment of the Vortex turns out to be MUCH like the kinds of places we later saw the Great Link residing, so it makes one wonder if he drew on old local legends to spin his story.

I'm impressed by how well the hints in seasons one and two as to who the changelings are match up to the truth about the Founders, even though the writers only decided to make Odo's people the leaders of the Dominion at the beginning of season three. It holds together remarkably well. Another interesting episode in this regard is "Shadowplay" in season two, where the changeling is the "bad guy" in a story the Yaderans tell their children.

I wish we would've seen more shapeshifting amulets--did Odo keep the one he had? Could it have been used to figure out more about the Founders before the Federation ever encountered them? Just how "alive" is it? Does it have to be "trained" to take the key shape, and is it similar to how Dr. Mora tried to "train" Odo?

That's something I always wondered; was the amulet a life-form, perhaps some more primitive, non-sapient version of a changeling that is limited to a few set forms? If so, what is the significance of that? Is it the changeling equivalent of lower animal life, maybe even an evolutionary throwback, or if the changelings were "engineered" as some novels suggest, was it a prototype?

We had another great Quark moment, in seeing him actually seem to genuinely feel bad about sending Odo to his death (or so he thought). This one actually seemed less ambiguous than the similar moment in "Move Along Home," and forecasts later episodes (including the one where he and Odo were stranded by themselves).

Quark was one character who I believe was used very well from the start.

In the continuity corner...I have some nitpicks. How did Croden THAT easily figure out the controls for a Federation runabout?? Also, we have the glaring incident of Odo actually being KO'ed by a falling rock--which calls into question JUST how many properties he adopts of that into which he shapeshifts. Finally, we have a Vulcan stating she was "afraid." Even in a figurative sense, this is quite imprecise for a Vulcan!

Sadly, it seems to me that "easily figuring out the controls" happens far too often in Trek with characters of all description- and vessels of all descriptions (including military craft)! I guess it's one of those areas in which logic is shifted aside to further the plot.

The Odo-getting-hurt-by-rocks incident has encouraged much debate, I believe. Of course, we know Odo is a poor shapeshifter by the standards of his fellow changelings, so perhaps the shock of the impact caused him to "tense up" and "locked" him into his Humanoid form, so instead of simply reverting briefly to liquid and shrugging it off, he went down and stayed down until he was able to un-tense?
 
The Odo-getting-hurt-by-rocks incident has encouraged much debate, I believe. Of course, we know Odo is a poor shapeshifter by the standards of his fellow changelings, so perhaps the shock of the impact caused him to "tense up" and "locked" him into his Humanoid form, so instead of simply reverting briefly to liquid and shrugging it off, he went down and stayed down until he was able to un-tense?

Except that he also didn't seem to know what had happened to him when he was back on the runabout. If he was just tense, he'd have still been aware of his surroundings and everything that happened from the time he got hit. I also wonder how Rom managed to carry him on that tray. He's a shapeshifter. Where does the extra mass go when he gets small? It doesn't make sense. Basically, he should've been a super dense glass, and Rom shouldn't have been able to lift the tray.

I will say that the one other thing that happened to me while watching this episode was fear and terror that they were actually going to send this kid character back with Odo for him to care for. Nothing kills my interest in a show quicker than some stupid cutesy kid character hanging around to let the crusty older character show he has a heart, or to get in constant peril and need rescue. I was immensely relieved when they both got shipped off to Vulcan and were never seen again.
 
The Odo-getting-hurt-by-rocks incident has encouraged much debate, I believe. Of course, we know Odo is a poor shapeshifter by the standards of his fellow changelings, so perhaps the shock of the impact caused him to "tense up" and "locked" him into his Humanoid form, so instead of simply reverting briefly to liquid and shrugging it off, he went down and stayed down until he was able to un-tense?

Except that he also didn't seem to know what had happened to him when he was back on the runabout. If he was just tense, he'd have still been aware of his surroundings and everything that happened from the time he got hit.

D'oh! I forgot about that. Good point, Enabran Tainted.
 
If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

Sign up / Register


Back
Top