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Heroes: "Ink" 9/28 -Grading & Discussion

Grading

  • Excellent

    Votes: 10 18.2%
  • Above average

    Votes: 25 45.5%
  • Average

    Votes: 14 25.5%
  • Below average

    Votes: 4 7.3%
  • Poor

    Votes: 2 3.6%

  • Total voters
    55
Above Average for me.... not bad.

I still like the Carnie characters. Samuels is a very interesting character. And the Claire plot was actually watchable this time.

As others have written, both Claire and Peter characters are finally at a stage which they should have been at the start of season 2. In fact watching this while pretending seasons 2 and 3 never happened actually makes it more enjoyable. If it wasn't for the Sylar thing, this could have been season 2.

I'll keep watching for now.
 
Claire taking the risk of being honest was very simple, but oddly fascinating. If this really were S2, the dramatic impact would have been lost, because we haven't seen the terrible fall-out of exposure. But Claire is lucky not to have a destructive power. Sylar's drove him crazy, Matt's on the way and Peter won't be too far behind.

So S2-3 has had some value - providing authenticity for the progress that Peter, Claire and Matt have undergone and laying the groundwork for relationships between them.

It just took too long and in the case of Matt, wasn't really structured well. For years, Matt has used his powers whenever he felt like it and didn't feel the least bit guilty about it (which struck me as troubling at the time). So now he realizes that reading people's minds and manipulating their wills is a bad thing, even if they're scummy drug dealers. I can see how that would be a problem for him, but it would have been nice to get the appropriate foreshadowing that this has become a breaking point for him (abetted of course by his imaginary friend).
 
I really liked this. It feels like Season 1 again. I remember thinking in that first season after every episode and wondering what they were gonna do next. This story line feels very similar to that in a good way. If only this really was season 2...
 
I liked this episode. Still don't care at all for Noah and Claire Bear... head Sylar is fun enough, and hopefully Parkman's "heel turn" will last. He's just too clueless and boring as a good guy.

Peter is still a dork, but him dealing with Knepper's character (who is pretty badass) is keeping him from annoying me too much.

I don't know what's up with deaf music sight virtuoso girl... and I can't say I particularly care, but we'll see where it goes.

Above average.

Oh, but I am really sick of the soundtrack. It sucks.
 
I really liked this. It feels like Season 1 again. I remember thinking in that first season after every episode and wondering what they were gonna do next. This story line feels very similar to that in a good way. If only this really was season 2...
I'm afraid I disagree. This doesn't feel at all like season one to me. Season one had a sense of urgency and purpose that while early on we were unaware of where the story was going it was compelling nonetheless. The set-up wasn't plodding to sit through and every thread was at least somewhat interesting with a ton of ground covered like there was no tomorrow providing interesting revelations and intriguing connections ending each episode with a cliffhanger that made the coming week seem like an eternity.

Really this season while showing some sporadic hints of getting back on the right track now seems like they were fleeting and we can expect more of the same kind of lethargic storytelling from last season. But I guess the fundamental flaw with the show for me is the characters are not the least bit interesting and haven't been in years. They worked much better in season one when they were cogs in the wheel of a big epic arc.

Really if there was something else to watch on Monday nights I'd probably stop watching altogether but the tv landscape is pretty barren.
 
I gave this an above average. I really loved the scene of the deaf woman creating light with the cello. It was beautifully shot and edited. Probably one of the best moments inf Heroes so far that didn't have anything to do with punching or flying.

As far as the whole Parkman/Sylar thing goes, while I think Sylar is real and will eventually emerge from "Nathan", I don't think he is really in Parkman's head.

I don't know if it's been touched upon, the "Sylar" in Parkman's head is his own guilt and for erasing someone's life from existence. Other than Hiro and Peter, Matt was one of the few people who relaized that his abilities should be used responsibly and for the benefit for others. It kind of reminds me of DC's Identidy Crisis series. He knows that there are reprecussions of using his powers in the way he did last season and he's beating himself up with a "Sylar" he created.
 
I don't see Hiro as selflessly using his powers for good. I see him more as a selfish nitwit who uses his powers for good so that he and only he (and definitely not Ando) can be a beloved superhero who gets all the glory. The funny thing is, I doubt this is what the writers are trying to convey.
 
I really liked this. It feels like Season 1 again. I remember thinking in that first season after every episode and wondering what they were gonna do next. This story line feels very similar to that in a good way. If only this really was season 2...
I'm afraid I disagree. This doesn't feel at all like season one to me. Season one had a sense of urgency and purpose that while early on we were unaware of where the story was going it was compelling nonetheless. The set-up wasn't plodding to sit through and every thread was at least somewhat interesting with a ton of ground covered like there was no tomorrow providing interesting revelations and intriguing connections ending each episode with a cliffhanger that made the coming week seem like an eternity.

Really this season while showing some sporadic hints of getting back on the right track now seems like they were fleeting and we can expect more of the same kind of lethargic storytelling from last season. But I guess the fundamental flaw with the show for me is the characters are not the least bit interesting and haven't been in years. They worked much better in season one when they were cogs in the wheel of a big epic arc.

Really if there was something else to watch on Monday nights I'd probably stop watching altogether but the tv landscape is pretty barren.

Your judging an entire season from the first 3 episodes?

What am I saying, its the internet goddammit.
 
I really liked this. It feels like Season 1 again. I remember thinking in that first season after every episode and wondering what they were gonna do next. This story line feels very similar to that in a good way. If only this really was season 2...
I'm afraid I disagree. This doesn't feel at all like season one to me. Season one had a sense of urgency and purpose that while early on we were unaware of where the story was going it was compelling nonetheless. The set-up wasn't plodding to sit through and every thread was at least somewhat interesting with a ton of ground covered like there was no tomorrow providing interesting revelations and intriguing connections ending each episode with a cliffhanger that made the coming week seem like an eternity.

Really this season while showing some sporadic hints of getting back on the right track now seems like they were fleeting and we can expect more of the same kind of lethargic storytelling from last season. But I guess the fundamental flaw with the show for me is the characters are not the least bit interesting and haven't been in years. They worked much better in season one when they were cogs in the wheel of a big epic arc.

Really if there was something else to watch on Monday nights I'd probably stop watching altogether but the tv landscape is pretty barren.

Your judging an entire season from the first 3 episodes?

What am I saying, its the internet goddammit.
Geez chill!

I'm actually judging these first 3 episodes on the show's less than stellar track record of the past seasons. I mean we just came off 20+ mediocre episodes from season 3 and then the first hour last week was pretty dull, the second hour showed some promise and then once again it is back to mediocrity. This season is showing some of the same weaknesses. I have lost faith in these writers and I've rarely seen a show once it has fumbled badly recover to its former greatness or even come close to being passable. And yes the first few episodes of season one weren't masterpieces they certainly handled set-up in a much more interesting manner than what I've seen so far in season four.

But fundamentally the show's characters, being the anchors, are boring and I don't really care to watch them. Now sometimes that can be compensated for with some great plotlines where the characters are just plot devices so you really don't have to care much for them but Heroes isn't really even doing that as far as I am concerned.

I realize that the show still has its fans who don't appreciate the criticism directed at it and normally even once a show starts to flounder, as most long-running tv series inevitably do, I will stick with it to the end just out of curiosity as to how it ultimately ends. Granted this tv season is off to a rather underwhelming start in general but Heroes is still not performing up to even those meager standards. Just my opinion.
I gave this an above average. I really loved the scene of the deaf woman creating light with the cello. It was beautifully shot and edited. Probably one of the best moments inf Heroes so far that didn't have anything to do with punching or flying.
I actually thought it was attempting to recreate the better done snowglobe sequence from season one and failed to capture the whimsy of that standout moment.
 
I don't see Hiro as selflessly using his powers for good. I see him more as a selfish nitwit who uses his powers for good so that he and only he (and definitely not Ando) can be a beloved superhero who gets all the glory. The funny thing is, I doubt this is what the writers are trying to convey.

Sadly, I have to agree. In trying to make Hiro "child-like", they turned him into an egocentric, semi-delusional little twit.
 
I don't see Hiro as selflessly using his powers for good. I see him more as a selfish nitwit who uses his powers for good so that he and only he (and definitely not Ando) can be a beloved superhero who gets all the glory. The funny thing is, I doubt this is what the writers are trying to convey.

Sadly, I have to agree. In trying to make Hiro "child-like", they turned him into an egocentric, semi-delusional little twit.

I agree as well. Look at the way Hiro acted when Ando got powers? He was very territorial, insisting that Ando was only a sidekick and using him that way.

The beginning of Season 3 is probably the best example. He's specifically told by his father in that video NOT to open the safe because it could have serious consequence. But he starts with the "NO, NO! I have to learn my destiny and get my assignment!" Someone on this board said it best. We'd all like to be heroes but we're not going to light a building on fire just so we can rush in and save the people. Hiro will because he of his ever-growing selfishness in his obsession with being a hero.

I really wish they had gone with their original concept of each season being a new story with new characters because I find myself really only interested in the new people.

I can't blame the writers for not doing that. It's hard enough to get the right cast to create a hit show the first time. You're asking for lightning to strike twice by going with a completely new cast after only the first season. They had a cast that made the show a major hit (not to mention the future Mr. Spock in Zachery Quinto) and they brought them back. The new characters they did introduce were either misused or didn't click with the audience.

I don't blame them for bringing back the cast although they could have trimmed the fat a little.
 
Hiro could easily be "fixed" by simply turning him into FutureHiro. The fact that he's not FutureHiro by now despite all the pain and suffering he's endured is what's *really* ruining the character.

It's even more frustrating because Hiro's *met* that incarnation of himself. He saw how mature and fierce he can be. He's learned how to use a sword, he's learned the consequences of using his powers willy-nilly, yet the writers keep him stuck in the bumbling idiot persona despite it making *no* sense whatsoever.

I really don't know why they're doing it, either. It's not endearing in the slightest.
 
I'll give this one an Excellent. This is what they should have done starting in S2 - show the characters trying to live normal lives with their powers, which inevitably leads to disaster regardless of whether they ignore them or embrace them. After that, we see the ways they manage to accommodate their inherently untenable situation.

I agree wholeheartedly. If it's not too late for this series (and even if it is), I look forward to seeing what they are doing with Peter and Claire. Sylar in Matt's head was an idea I hated last week, but this week it did seem much more exciting.

I still wonder if the series will conclude with all the Heroes banding together... or being thrust into the public eye somehow. Because if that is the plan, I would argue that it might be more interesting to have that happen now and allow the fallout to conclude the series.

It's even more frustrating because Hiro's *met* that incarnation of himself. He saw how mature and fierce he can be. He's learned how to use a sword, he's learned the consequences of using his powers willy-nilly, yet the writers keep him stuck in the bumbling idiot persona despite it making *no* sense whatsoever.

Not to mention future Hiro's English is fluent... but his S4 character still speaks in S1 stilted English. I was disappointed there was no Hiro this week, but that's the way Heroes goes... someone usually gets cut out of the 42 mins!
 
I really liked this. It feels like Season 1 again.
I know what you're talking about, I dunno what it is, but something seems to be clicking like it hasn't for the past two years. Maybe just the characters all behaving as though they have a brain (even if their character flaws might lead them astray - that's legit character writing, while making characters dumb for the convenience of the plot is anything but.)

Is Bryan Fuller involved with these episodes? I hope not, since he's gone again, and I'd hate to think he really was the reason the show was ever good. :(

I don't know if it's been touched upon, the "Sylar" in Parkman's head is his own guilt and for erasing someone's life from existence.
That's the logical way to interpret it - Matt's never shown the ability to suck consciousnesses out of people's brains, so how could he have done that to Sylar. However, I think the writers will ignore logic (like they've never done that :D) and when Sylar inevitably gets put back in his body, Sylar will remember everything that happened with Matt.

Why? Because the audience would be corn-fused if Sylar didn't recall sharing a mind with Matt. Ironic, since it makes far more sense the other way, but not corn-fusing the audience always will take precedence. Plus, it's more fun if Sylar and Matt both recall being roommates in Matt's head. :p

This leads to a damn frightening problem - when Matt puts Sylar back in his own body, logically then he should have Matt's powers. He has them now, after all - he has direct access to Matt's brain without ever having to open up his skull. Does Matt realize this?!? He's going to unleash a psycho who can control pople's minds! At this point, Matt's best option is suicide.

I don't see Hiro as selflessly using his powers for good. I see him more as a selfish nitwit who uses his powers for good so that he and only he (and definitely not Ando) can be a beloved superhero who gets all the glory. The funny thing is, I doubt this is what the writers are trying to convey.
Yeah. Either the writers or the actor or both are botching Hiro badly. He comes off as an overgrown child and it's immensely annoying.
Hiro could easily be "fixed" by simply turning him into FutureHiro.
I never found Future Hiro remotely believable as a badass (like Peter and Claire; you need better actors to be able to pull off that transition.) People bitch about a fine actor like Quinto playing a badass over and over till it gets dull. Masi Oka would wear out his welcome far quicker.

I really wish they had gone with their original concept of each season being a new story with new characters because I find myself really only interested in the new people.
I can't blame the writers for not doing that. It's hard enough to get the right cast to create a hit show the first time. You're asking for lightning to strike twice by going with a completely new cast after only the first season.
Just look at their wretched track record with new characters. Would we get a cast of Adams and Elles, or Mayas and Alejandros? The characters are the only element in this show that has worked consistently (if like me, you like some of them). It would be madness to ditch the show's only strength. What's left, plotting? Their plotlines are mostly failures.
 
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The head Sylar thing is interesting, but you can only rehash the same storylines so many time...and what's the theme this season anyway?
 
I'm confused. Wasn't Noah cut up pretty bad in the last episode with Peter coming to his rescue. Did I miss a scene, or did they just kind of sweep that under the rug?
 
Darth Maul cut Noah up and took the compass. Which is why T-Bag is still looking for the compass?
 
I'm confused. Wasn't Noah cut up pretty bad in the last episode with Peter coming to his rescue. Did I miss a scene, or did they just kind of sweep that under the rug?

I noticed that...they did allude to it when Noah kinda grabbed at his gut and winced when visiting Claire.

Darth Maul cut Noah up and took the compass. Which is why T-Bag is still looking for the compass?

I noticed that too. Combined with Noah healing fast...it almost seemed likt that episode was shown out of order or something.
 
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