Two more LCARS schematics

[Doran]

I thought a manifold was an outlet not just a forked pipe.
(Truth be told I have no idea why a antimatter reactor would need a manifold either)

"Manifold: A chamber having several outlets."

A forked pipe basically.

Not necessarily so... the exhaust manifold on your car has several inlets and only one outlet. Need a better definition... I'll look for one.

 

[Doran]

Here's some better definitions:

Manifold (general engineering) an arrangement of pipes used to redistribute the flow of a fluid or gas, typically from a single inlet to a number of outlets or vice versa
Manifold (automotive), an engine part which joins many connections into one, for example the exhaust manifold
Hydraulic manifold, a component used to regulate fluid flow in a hydraulic system, thus controlling the transfer of power between actuators and pumps

 

[Maurice]

Here's some better definitions:

Manifold (general engineering) an arrangement of pipes used to redistribute the flow of a fluid or gas, typically from a single inlet to a number of outlets or vice versa
Manifold (automotive), an engine part which joins many connections into one, for example the exhaust manifold
Hydraulic manifold, a component used to regulate fluid flow in a hydraulic system, thus controlling the transfer of power between actuators and pumps

^^^Your links go nowhere.

 

[Doran]

^^^Your links go nowhere.

Sorry, check wikipedia ... search manifold.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Here's another crack at the Phoenix:

Interestingly, the new warp core bears a curious resemblance to the NX-01 warp core.

Do you believe that this had a antimatter reactor or just fusion?

My read would be just fusion. And no dilithium right?

Having thought about it for a while, I'd guess fusion. BUT WITH A CAVEAT:

There's no way Zephram Cochrane could have had access to dilithium and antimatter in his little bunker in Montana. Earth Starfleet might have had antimatter, but dilithium is supposed to be very expensive and I don't see them having the wherewithall to import it from elsewhere (considering Starfleet's complete lack of knowledge on... well, just about EVERYTHING regarding off-world affairs). Therefore, I assume that both warp cores were a type of fusion reactor, but NX-01 is an antimatter-catalyzed fusion reactor. The latter could well be hundreds of times more powerful than anything available to other ships of the type, and probably more fuel efficient to boot, but a far cry from the dilithium-moderated reactors of the 23rd century.

 

[Bill Morris]

Not fusion. Positrons in a magnetic storage bottle. This is a cheap form of antimatter that we can produce in quantity now, unlike antiprotons. A shower of positrons is produced when zapping 1-mm gold plate with a laser beam. That has already been done. And unlike fusion, that's stored energy on tap. With controlled fusion you produce energy on the fly, which is too slow for a warp system. And a magnetic bottle of positrons is something Cochrane could have found in one of those silos, in a missile, which would be a lot different from today's versions.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Not fusion. Positrons in a magnetic storage bottle. This is a cheap form of antimatter that we can produce in quantity now, unlike antiprotons. A shower of positrons is produced when zapping 1-mm gold plate with a laser beam. That has already been done. And unlike fusion, that's stored energy on tap. With controlled fusion you produce energy on the fly, which is too slow for a warp system. And a magnetic bottle of positrons is something Cochrane could have found in one of those silos, in a missile, which would be a lot different from today's versions.

The problem is you can only store as much energy (in the form of positrons) as you put into the system. If a warp drive requires something like 20 Terawatts to operate, then you have to store 1200 Terajoules worth of antimatter just to get sixty seconds of warp flight. That's about ten grams of antimatter; that's ALOT of antiprotons, and unless you've got access to a multi-megawatt nuclear reactor it'll still take you the better part of a decade just to harvest that kind of energy.

What you're basically describing is an antimatter-based capacitor. That's not a "warp core" as much as it is a glorified battery. OTOH, a fusion reactor can generate a significant amount of raw power (especially in some kind of inertial confinement scheme where the thing basically detonates a small hydrogen bomb several times a second), and even more so if the thing that triggers the fusion reaction is bombardment by a minute amount of positrons. In the latter case, even your "convenient positron generator" would only produce just enough antimatter to boost the fusion reaction which, in turn, provides a little more energy that can be used to create antimatter. You get a feedback loop that builds to equilibrium and more power comes out than would ordinarily.

Of course, this has some funky implications for what a warp core actually is, as a device that may sometimes PRODUCE more antimatter than it consumes. Perhaps this works as an explanation for why 24th century warp cores look the way they do, as giant particle accelerators that literally create antiparticles and then slam those particles into a gaseous medium to produce warp plasma?

 

[Bill Morris]

I haven't drawn in all the toys yet, but here's the layout plan for this one. The main reference is the six views of the filming CGI at Drexfiles:

http://drexfiles.wordpress.com/2009/06/04/jem-hadar-fighter-redux-cg/

 

[Timo]

I wonder if there's an aft gun there. The ship in "The Ship" in the ship in the... Sorry, the ship in "The Ship" was buried upside down and IIRC bow first, yet the lower bottom still featured a gun that Worf thought might be restored to operation. Or was the ship buried stern first?

Earth Starfleet might have had antimatter, but dilithium is supposed to be very expensive and I don't see them having the wherewithall to import it from elsewhere

Why wouldn't antimatter be commonplace on the 2050s Earth?

Curiously, ENT never made it sound as if dilithium would have been a particularly rare or difficult-to-obtain resource. They had a good chance to do that in "Damage", but they resorted to having Archer steal a "warp coil" instead, a poor choice IMHO.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Bill Morris]

I wonder if there's an aft gun there. The ship in "The Ship" in the ship in the... Sorry, the ship in "The Ship" was buried upside down and IIRC bow first, yet the lower bottom still featured a gun that Worf thought might be restored to operation. Or was the ship buried stern first?

Timo Saloniemi

Judging from the nacelle sticking out of the rubble, it looks like the stern. But as cool as this representation (designed by John Eaves) may look, I don't see a match-up with the CGI or physical fliming model. If it's the bow, good, but I don't see it.

And scanning the CGI, I don't detect any aft weapons signatures. Maybe there's a jamming signal.

For the eight forward torp launchers, I'll try to use the suggestion I got from Cary L. Brown for the Klingon Bird-of-Prey of showing torpedo magazines. That'll teach you Feds to mess with The Dominion!

 

[Saquist]

I haven't drawn in all the toys yet, but here's the layout plan for this one. The main reference is the six views of the filming CGI at Drexfiles:

http://drexfiles.wordpress.com/2009/06/04/jem-hadar-fighter-redux-cg/

It looks good but needs more detail in the picture.

 

[Bill Morris]

This should wrap this one up:

 

[kent]

Yeah, I'd definitley expect Cochrane to utilize nuclear power in some fashion for the Phoenix. He'd probably do something that could utilize the material from the warhead of his Titan missile.

No, actually antimatter does exist and the US government can create it, albeit at an extreme cost.

 

[kent]

Hopefully, this one's okay:

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I'm not trying to nit pick, but last I heard the Ferengi ship was the size and strength of the Ambassador, which is at LEAST 32 decks or so, not 15 decks like the Intrepid class...

 

[kent]

According to our understanding of the intermix chamber.

What understanding? Andy Probert himself said the intermix chamber was mainly envisioned as a glorified power transfer conduit. If there's something more than that to understand about it, we DON'T, because nothing more than that was ever established.

They've never been referenced to anything but an antimatter matter reaction.

I again refer you to that scene in TMP you apparently keep forgetting. Just before using the impulse engine for the first time, the dialog goes:

Scotty: "Intermix set, bridge. Impulse power at your discretion."
Kirk: "Impulse power, Mister Sulu. Ahead warp point five."

Now unless you think impulse engines are powered by antimatter (they're not, by the way) the only explanation is that the intermix chamber is either channeling power from the main reactor to the impulse engines, OR, the impulse engines are channeling power from their fusion reactors into the intermix chamber. The latter seems more likely considering it was "antimatter imbalance" that created the wormhole 2 hours later, so the matter/antimatter reactor was likely on standby at this time.

Also, the Enterprise-D--like most if not all of the ships in the 24th century--does not have an intermix chamber, it has a warp core. The two are very distinct concepts and are mutually exclusive, especially since the Enterprise as of TMP does not appear to be equipped with a warp core anyway.

According to Memory alpha it regulates preasure of plasma.

Fusion reactors generate plasma. So do nuclear-thermal (fission core) rockets.

The argument could be made that the intermix chamber is simply the dilithium chamber where the m/am reacts.....

it's why the Intrepid is as powerful as the larger capitol ships, because the ENTIRE warp core is the intermix chamber, thus simulating a larger warp core.

 

[Bill Morris]

Here's the revised version. It's 30 meters wider than the Ambassador class (293 m, with 478.5 m overall length rather than 526 m) but not as long or tall. The dimensions were mixed up in that old screenshot. And yes, 32 decks for the Ambassador class, but the Ferengi marauder obviously doesn't have a lower engineering hull.