TOS followups in later series....

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

I don't think they could use the Guardian of Forever without Ellison's permission. Would he give it?

I recall that Ellison was asked by to contribute to DS9 in its first season, but ultimately didn't because of his loyalty to B5 and JMS. Michael Pillar mentioned on one of those QVC shows that Ellison's idea was to have the DS9 characters go back into through the Guardian and into the events of COTEF.

 

[Duncan MacLeod]

The Trouble With Tribbles - The first meeting of Koloth and Kirk in the episode has an interesting exchange.

Koloth: My dear, Captain Kirk
Kirk: My dear, Captain Koloth

For me, I've wanted the prequel to TTWT. They obviously knew one another, and quite well it seems. Were they both assigned to this part of space. What happened the first time they met?

Yes. The intent was that Kirk and Koloth would be continuing adversaries. But unfortunately William Campbell was unavailable for the next Klingon episode, so the idea was dropped.

 

[plynch]

Maybe the Iotians from A Piece of the Action, having found out how the transdata works from McCoy's forgotten communicator and caught up with Starfleet technology. Star Trek XIII The Wrath of Oxmyx!

I vaguely recall there was suppose to have been either a TNG or DS9 episode where they go back to that world and find a culture identical to TOS-era Star Trek, complete with TOS uniforms. Could have been an interesting episode.

What a loss - that this wasn't produced!

 

[Hambone]

Maybe the Iotians from A Piece of the Action, having found out how the transdata works from McCoy's forgotten communicator and caught up with Starfleet technology. Star Trek XIII The Wrath of Oxmyx!

I vaguely recall there was suppose to have been either a TNG or DS9 episode where they go back to that world and find a culture identical to TOS-era Star Trek, complete with TOS uniforms. Could have been an interesting episode.

What a loss - that this wasn't produced!

They went with "Trials and Tribble-ations" instead.

 

[TOS Purist]

They went with "Trials and Tribble-ations" instead.

Yeah, and that was just a mockery of TOS.

I'm surprised that none of the other Trek incarnations didn't follow up on "The Doomsday Machine." The end of the episode even goes so far as to suggest that there could be another Planet Killer episode with the characters suggesting "Who knows how many other 'doomsday machines' wander the galaxy?" Of course, I'm sure the real reason that the other Trek shows didn't have another Planet Killer is because they realized they were far inferior to TOS, and trying to do an episode with a Planet Killer would have emphasized the difference in quality between their crappy PK episode and the TOS PK episode.

But the other shows aren't canon, anyway. I would have been happy with ANY follow-up to TOS in general, but we never really got any that I and others can consider canon.

 

[gastrof]

...the other shows aren't canon, anyway...

They were...until JJ Trek. Now even TOS isn't canon.

 

[Nerys Myk]

They went with "Trials and Tribble-ations" instead.

Yeah, and that was just a mockery of TOS.

I'm surprised that none of the other Trek incarnations didn't follow up on "The Doomsday Machine." The end of the episode even goes so far as to suggest that there could be another Planet Killer episode with the characters suggesting "Who knows how many other 'doomsday machines' wander the galaxy?" Of course, I'm sure the real reason that the other Trek shows didn't have another Planet Killer is because they realized they were far inferior to TOS, and trying to do an episode with a Planet Killer would have emphasized the difference in quality between their crappy PK episode and the TOS PK episode.

But the other shows aren't canon, anyway. I would have been happy with ANY follow-up to TOS in general, but we never really got any that I and others can consider canon.

Then, I guess its a good thing that its not your call.

 

[TOS Purist]

...the other shows aren't canon, anyway...

They were...until JJ Trek. Now even TOS isn't canon.

Well, that's up to fans to decide for themselves. There are plenty of people like myself who only consider the original source material (TOS) to be canon, and there are those like yourself who accept anything with "Star Trek" slapped on the title as canon. But it's all fiction anyway and open to interpretations.

 

[Nerys Myk]

...the other shows aren't canon, anyway...

They were...until JJ Trek. Now even TOS isn't canon.

Well, that's up to fans to decide for themselves. There are plenty of people like myself who only consider the original source material (TOS) to be canon, and there are those like yourself who accept anything with "Star Trek" slapped on the title as canon. But it's all fiction anyway and open to interpretations.

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

 

[Hambone]

I don't think they could use the Guardian of Forever without Ellison's permission. Would he give it?

Just for mentioning it in your post, you owe HE a couple of bucks.

 

[TOS Purist]

^

That wouldn't surprise me one bit!

 

[CaptJimboJones]

...the other shows aren't canon, anyway...

They were...until JJ Trek. Now even TOS isn't canon.

Well, that's up to fans to decide for themselves.

Uh, no it's not, actually.

 

[Warped9]

The word "canon" is thrown around a lot and sometimes I wonder how well it's understood.

JJ cannot decanonize previous Trek. It exists as a done deal. He can create a new version which is canon unto itself (which is what he's done) and start anew and owe nothing to what came before.

 

[KingstonTrekker]

...the other shows aren't canon, anyway...

They were...until JJ Trek. Now even TOS isn't canon.

Sigh. Not this tired comment again? The new movie did not deconanize TOS. Nero going into the past created a new, alternate timeline (many are calling it the Abramsverse) in which the new movies are set.

However, the Prime/Original universe, in which original TOS is set, is untouched.

JJ Abrams never wanted to decanonize anything. They just came up with a creative way to honour and keep what has gone before in place, while also charting a new course in the alternate timeline.

 

[Nerys Myk]

The word "canon" is thrown around a lot and sometimes I wonder how well it's understood.

JJ cannot decanonize previous Trek. It exists as a done deal. He can create a new version which is canon unto itself (which is what he's done) and start anew and owe nothing to what came before.

Aren't they part of the same canon? "Canon" being the things recognized as official by The Powers That Be. What JJ has done is create a seperate continuity with in that canon.

 

[DevilEyes]

They went with "Trials and Tribble-ations" instead.

Yeah, and that was just a mockery of TOS.

No, it wasn't. It was a loving, funny and altogether enjoyable hommage.

 

[TOS Purist]

JJ Abrams [...] just came up with a creative way

"Creative?" More like stale, unoriginal, and an easy way out instead of going to the effort of creatively fitting a new story into established events. It wouldn't have been that hard...they just didn't want to go to the trouble. But they DID want the money a Trek movie would bring.

 

[Anwar]

JJ Abrams [...] just came up with a creative way

"Creative?" More like stale, unoriginal, and an easy way out instead of going to the effort of creatively fitting a new story into established events. It wouldn't have been that hard...they just didn't want to go to the trouble. But they DID want the money a Trek movie would bring.

If by "stale" and "unoriginal" you mean "refreshing and respectful" then yes, that's what he did. And it's better to just reboot the whole thing at this point, it shuts up any complaints the nutters inevitably would have over how this clashes with established canon.

 

[TOS Purist]

"refreshing and respectful"

...you DO know how many times the "alternate reality" premise has been used, right? And usually it's just a cheap way to do things to your characters that you otherwise wouldn't be able to do (like kill off regulars on a TV show)?

But we should stop bickering. Whatever there is to say about the movie has already been said. At this point, I think we should all just recognize the fact that we all have a different opinion about the movie and respect each other for it. IDIC bro...IDIC.

 

[Warped9]

Abrams tried to cheat by slipping in the old alternate timeline shtick instead of being totally honest and just offering ST09 as a wholesale reboot. And it is because his supposed "original" timeline from which his Spock supposedly comes from still doesn't gel with the TOS we know.

ST09 is canon albeit canon unto itself and whatever follows it. But it is not canon in regards to TOS.

In the end I don't really fucking care because I think ST09 is garbage without one redeeming quality t it. It's sad in a way because if it had come off well (to my liking) I could have accepted it as a reboot and as an entity apart from TOS. Just as I accept Christopher Nolan's approach to Batman as equally good yet separate from the early '90s animated Batman.