Was McCoy's timeline messed with as well?
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Since we really don't know the canon circumstances (a) behind when and why McCoy joned Starfleet, and (b) when and how he and Kirk met, I don't really see much of a conflict. All we do know is that Kirk & McCoy have known each other at least for awhile when we meet them in the original series. So this new movie just "fills in the blanks" when it comes to McCoy's history, such as his divorce from his wife, which was, as I recall, never mentioned in any of the TOS eps or movies. I'd say there's probably little to no divergence between the two McCoy's histories, other than when and how he met Kirk. -- RR
i agree with above..
from the very first time we see them together they come across as two people
who have known each other for awhile.
which is why i said to me it makes sense that perhaps bones already was assigned to enterprise before where no man but was off ship for some reason.
does this sound familar..
bones...working jim out during his physical..That's a boy. Keep it up.
A little sweat will do you good.
jim...You're killing me.
You're killing me.
bones..Stop.
Winded?
jim...You'd be the last one I'd tell.
from the first bones was the one who would openly challenge kirk, to get him to take
things into consideration.
oh yeah bones things with show girls happened back on some planet.
from the very first time we see them together they come across as two people
who have known each other for awhile.
which is why i said to me it makes sense that perhaps bones already was assigned to enterprise before where no man but was off ship for some reason.
does this sound familar..
bones...working jim out during his physical..That's a boy. Keep it up.
A little sweat will do you good.
jim...You're killing me.
You're killing me.
bones..Stop.
Winded?
jim...You'd be the last one I'd tell.
from the first bones was the one who would openly challenge kirk, to get him to take
things into consideration.
oh yeah bones things with show girls happened back on some planet.
It's quite likely they met under slightly different circumstances in the Prime timeline, but nothing radical.
I could still be a similar incident on a shuttle, McCoy reeling from a Divorce etc., perhaps even down to how he reacted to Kirk in the Kobayashi Maru and meeting spock.
Whereas in the new timeline, the Vulcan emergency takes place, and many of the ships are different, in the Prime timeline, Kirk may be unable to join a ship for a while, then end up getting transferred to the Farragut, where he becomes a Lieutenant very quickly, smelly gas creature incident and so forth.
It is possible that after the incident with the Cloud creature, the trauma from that may have prompted him to take up an assistant instructor position at the Academy, and meet Gary Mitchell, with both of them going back to the fleet and continuing their careers and friendship, leading to Kirk taking command of the Enterprise, inheriting Spock from her previous captain (who may have already been promoted with Kirk present).
McCoy may have been assigned elsewhere at the time Kirk took command, but then was taken aboard the Enterprise shortly after Where No Man Has Gone Before at Kirk's request.
It sounds plausible to me, anyway
I could still be a similar incident on a shuttle, McCoy reeling from a Divorce etc., perhaps even down to how he reacted to Kirk in the Kobayashi Maru and meeting spock.
Whereas in the new timeline, the Vulcan emergency takes place, and many of the ships are different, in the Prime timeline, Kirk may be unable to join a ship for a while, then end up getting transferred to the Farragut, where he becomes a Lieutenant very quickly, smelly gas creature incident and so forth.
It is possible that after the incident with the Cloud creature, the trauma from that may have prompted him to take up an assistant instructor position at the Academy, and meet Gary Mitchell, with both of them going back to the fleet and continuing their careers and friendship, leading to Kirk taking command of the Enterprise, inheriting Spock from her previous captain (who may have already been promoted with Kirk present).
McCoy may have been assigned elsewhere at the time Kirk took command, but then was taken aboard the Enterprise shortly after Where No Man Has Gone Before at Kirk's request.
It sounds plausible to me, anyway
Well McCoy not knowing what "dunsel" meant was usually taken to mean that McCoy never attended the Academy. In our world, people go to the military Academies to get a bachelors degree + military training. If you already have a bachelors degree or higher, you typically go to some kind of Officers Training School or Officer Candidate School which is just a matter of months, to get the military portion of training your civilian Univerity didnt give you.
For MDs like McCoy you dont even go to one of those if I recall. I believe that your training would be even shorter than that. There just isnt any reason for a medical doctor who is joining the service to be a doctor, to go to the Academy since s/he already has all the academic training they need to be a doctor.
They could have made it be Mitchell or someone else on that shuttle with Kirk, but they just decided it should be McCoy. Of course he could have just already been a commissioned Starfleet doctor who was going to his new assignment as an Academy physician. That would have made more sense. Kind of a mentor to Kirk rather than what certainly appeared to be a fellow cadet.
This would create a nice balance for Kirk. On the one hand there is what he hears from the Starfleet end, but he also gets in his many talks with McCoy a very different perspective on issues, and one that he comes to greatly value. It a balance. It would also establish why Kirk is later so keen on having McCoy around, even tothe point of using "reserve activation clauses".
For MDs like McCoy you dont even go to one of those if I recall. I believe that your training would be even shorter than that. There just isnt any reason for a medical doctor who is joining the service to be a doctor, to go to the Academy since s/he already has all the academic training they need to be a doctor.
They could have made it be Mitchell or someone else on that shuttle with Kirk, but they just decided it should be McCoy. Of course he could have just already been a commissioned Starfleet doctor who was going to his new assignment as an Academy physician. That would have made more sense. Kind of a mentor to Kirk rather than what certainly appeared to be a fellow cadet.
This would create a nice balance for Kirk. On the one hand there is what he hears from the Starfleet end, but he also gets in his many talks with McCoy a very different perspective on issues, and one that he comes to greatly value. It a balance. It would also establish why Kirk is later so keen on having McCoy around, even tothe point of using "reserve activation clauses".
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I don't think a whole lot changed for McCoy, really.
Well, his eyes turned brown. Does that count? 
He just loaned his blue contact lenses to Kirk.Well, his eyes turned brown. Does that count?
or the dunsel term was used more among people along the command tracks ect..
really i can think of a lot of reasons why a previous earth based doctor would have to go through the academy.
while he probably had some alien patients he has to be prepared for the vast weirdness one can encounter out in space.
they also would have to training in dealing with diplomacy and medicine..
world wide plagues and a lot of other bizarre stuff he would have needed some specialized training in.
Well sure, he could need alot of training. For flight surgeon, the USN and USAF have some programs that are about 3 years or more total. Plus there can be some flight training in case the doctor should ever have to actually pilot an aircraft.
But all this is entirely different than the academy. Its mostly medical. Its a Residency for the most part. You are with other doctors going through the same training. So I can buy that there is some multi-year Space Medicine residency program, but only Doctors would be in it.
Now maybe its located on the grounds of the Academy. So that would give him a reason to be there in the area. Thats the best I can do.
The most radical change I saw with McCoy was him knowing how to work the conn during the Kobiyashi Maru.
While I realize all officers probably have at least a rudimentary knowledge of how to operate the ship (in case of emergencies), I was never under the impression it was something McCoy had specific training for.
It was just... really odd seeing him there.
While I realize all officers probably have at least a rudimentary knowledge of how to operate the ship (in case of emergencies), I was never under the impression it was something McCoy had specific training for.
It was just... really odd seeing him there.
but it sorta makes sense even if it is to know how to get the ship out of danger and set up an autopilot course .
and to check through basic operations.
we do know from immunity syndrome he could fly the shuttle if needed.
Dusty Ayres
Commodore
McCoy had to go to the Academy because he needed extra knowledge about ship systems so that he could take over in a pinch if needed be, as was seen with Bashir taking over tactical during a battle in one episode of DS9. Also, it is much likely that McCoy only knew about human beings, and needed to learn more about aliens as well.
As for why McCoy divorced, I believe that he was the guilty party-check out how he was with the cabaret girls in the 'Shore Leave' episode. If he was like that with them, then he must have been like that with Jocelyn as well, philandering to his heart's content with other doctors or nurses. The effects of the divorce, being cleaned out financially, and being at Starfleet Academy may have changed him-notice how he doesn't chase after Chapel at all in TOS, and keeps his lovey-dovey stuff to shore leave and certain periods afterward (although that doesn't explain what Yeoman Barrows was doing being attracted to him in 'Shore Leave'!
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Sure, but you wouldnt go to the Academy for that. Navy and Air Force flight surgeons can get flight training, but you dont spend four years as an undergrad in the Naval or AIr Force Academies to do that. Youd go to flight school.
If he graduated with Kirk wouldn't it be three years? Perhaps Starfleet requires more extensive training than modern academies
McCoy's at the Academy but he wouldn't be taking the same classes as Kirk. When Kirk tells him about taking the test again McCoy says "I'm a doctor, I'm busy" - which would indicate he's doing different work from Kirk.
It makes a certain amount of sense to have all students learning stuff for Starfleet at the Academy, it'd give them all a chance to meet other officers on other study tracks.
It makes a certain amount of sense to have all students learning stuff for Starfleet at the Academy, it'd give them all a chance to meet other officers on other study tracks.
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