Size Of The New Enterprise (large images)

[Chrisisall]

I remember liking the -d a lot better when the saucer wasn't on it

The very definition of "Fugly" IMO.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Except the part about it first being scaled to one size, and having many design elements from that left over which don't jive with the scaled-up version.

I really don't see any elements that are the wrong size. Yes, the airlocks might look out of place to you. But only if you judge them by the size standards of the old universe. Which is sort of futile, seeing that this is a different universe alltogether.

Airlocks, windows (and judging by their placement overall deck structure)... you name it. It IS a different universe, but the same overall government and space exploration institution. They have a way of building and designing things that has evolved over time but remained more or less internally consistent.

You say this like you have any idea like their "way of building and designing things" actually is. You don't; we didn't see any non-Constitution ships in TOS, nor for that matter have we seen every ship in Starfleet in the NuTrek universe for you to measure consistency. You are once again confusing your personal assumptions with established facts.

Some food for thought: window placement has never been reliable as a measure of deck height because on any ship other than the Galaxy Class, not all decks HAVE windows. Which makes sense, since strictly speaking a starship doesn't need windows on any decks, let alone all of them.

You're still just making excuses for a last-minute scale-up that lacked an accompanying re-design.

Yeah, like we do for the Bird of Prey all the time, like we did for Spacedock when the Enterprise-D flew into it, like we have ALWAYS done for the TOS shuttlecraft every time the interior failed to be consistent with the set model.

 

[buzzknox]

And with just over 60 posts to go before we reach 1701, we again see why Abrams chose to ignore the "hard core ST fans" in restarting the franchise. This is only one of a thousand debates over ST that ends up being people butting heads over personal choices, canons, and biases.

 

[Creedence]

Its just poorly thought-out scaling, and you're all making excuses for it.

No... it's a movie. I'm sorry if you cannot accept that events in this (*cough* make-believe) imagined reality are unfolding differently. What does it matter how big the damn ship is?? Given the overwhelming success this Trek flick enjoyed over its traditional cousins, it is a foregone conclusion that we will never (read: NEVER EVER!) see stories set in the so-called Prime universe again.

We have no reason to expect ships from 100 years down the line to look like anything from TNG. The NuEnterprise is bigger. It's done. No amount of your wanking will remedy your problems with it.

New Enterprise FTW!

 

[Sector 7]

Its just poorly thought-out scaling, and you're all making excuses for it.

No... it's a movie. I'm sorry if you cannot accept that events in this (*cough* make-believe) imagined reality are unfolding differently. What does it matter how big the damn ship is?? Given the overwhelming success this Trek flick enjoyed over its traditional cousins, it is a foregone conclusion that we will never (read: NEVER EVER!) see stories set in the so-called Prime universe again.

We have no reason to expect ships from 100 years down the line to look like anything from TNG. The NuEnterprise is bigger. It's done. No amount of your wanking will remedy your problems with it.

New Enterprise FTW!

I could not have said it better! Unfortunately, beyond all logic, this debate will keep going and going and going and...

 

[JuanBolio]

Its just poorly thought-out scaling, and you're all making excuses for it.

No... it's a movie. I'm sorry if you cannot accept that events in this (*cough* make-believe) imagined reality are unfolding differently. What does it matter how big the damn ship is?? Given the overwhelming success this Trek flick enjoyed over its traditional cousins, it is a foregone conclusion that we will never (read: NEVER EVER!) see stories set in the so-called Prime universe again.

We have no reason to expect ships from 100 years down the line to look like anything from TNG. The NuEnterprise is bigger. It's done. No amount of your wanking will remedy your problems with it.

New Enterprise FTW!

I could not have said it better! Unfortunately, beyond all logic, this debate will keep going and going and going and...

Its only bigger if you look at it a certain way and in certain scenes, as the designers themselves said. I have no problem at all with a new timeline or even all future stories taking place in it - but it branches off of the old, and that should be reflected. If it doesn't matter to you how big the ship is, then why does it matter to you that I like it better at 300+ meters as opposed to 700?

 

[DiSiLLUSiON]

Unfortunately, beyond all logic, this debate will keep going and going and going and...

I haven't seen any debate for quite a few pages now . All I see are a few people who can't reconcile the fact that the Enterprise doesn't jive with their personal assumptions. Well, too bad for them.

 

[JuanBolio]

Unfortunately, beyond all logic, this debate will keep going and going and going and...

I haven't seen any debate for quite a few pages now . All I see are a few people who can't reconcile the fact that the Enterprise doesn't jive with their personal assumptions. Well, too bad for them.

Whereas you're FORCED to make personal assumptions and wild speculations to even remotely justify the scale-up.

 

[Sector 7]

Unfortunately, beyond all logic, this debate will keep going and going and going and...

I haven't seen any debate for quite a few pages now . All I see are a few people who can't reconcile the fact that the Enterprise doesn't jive with their personal assumptions. Well, too bad for them.

...and don't forget those who just HAVE to have the last word to make them feel superior. I love watching all those Psych classes I took come to life... LOL!!

 

[JuanBolio]

I just have to get to post #1701.

Doing that will fill my argument with awesome and win that no mere mortal words, especially those supporting a 700+ meter-long Enterprise, can combat.

As for "having the last word" - I'm no more guilty of that than you guys. You stop posting, I stop posting.

 

[Sector 7]

^... doing my part to get you to that State of Zen (post #1701) whereby you think you achieved something worthwhile.

 

[Peter the Younger]

You're still just making excuses for a last-minute scale-up that lacked an accompanying re-design.

Yeah, like we do for the Bird of Prey all the time, like we did for Spacedock when the Enterprise-D flew into it, like we have ALWAYS done for the TOS shuttlecraft every time the interior failed to be consistent with the set model.

Exactly! As I said previously, EAS and Memory Alpha are full of this sort of stuff. Why should this be any different?

 

[JuanBolio]

You're still just making excuses for a last-minute scale-up that lacked an accompanying re-design.

Yeah, like we do for the Bird of Prey all the time, like we did for Spacedock when the Enterprise-D flew into it, like we have ALWAYS done for the TOS shuttlecraft every time the interior failed to be consistent with the set model.

Exactly! As I said previously, EAS and Memory Alpha are full of this sort of stuff. Why should this be any different?

Either A) Because its THE ENTERPRISE, or B) It shouldn't, but they should settle on something, preferably the 366-meter size, in the next movie.

 

[Creedence]

Its only bigger if you look at it a certain way and in certain scenes, as the designers themselves said. I have no problem at all with a new timeline or even all future stories taking place in it - but it branches off of the old, and that should be reflected. If it doesn't matter to you how big the ship is, then why does it matter to you that I like it better at 300+ meters as opposed to 700?

I am certainly NOT convinced that this reality splinters off the old. The timeline that the Kelvin was in splintered after Picard and crew headed the Borg off in 2061. I don't see that the appearance of the Narada was enough to start the timeline down a new path.

In any event, Old Trek doesn't need to be closely ahdered to. The ship is similar - it has a saucer, a primary hull, two nacelles - but is clearly different! I bet you lose sleep over the fact that the Millenium Falcon has more living space inside than the outside dimensions would allow.

Get over it. Star Trek is NOT about the ship so much as it is about the characters.

Remove this site from your bookmarks, smash your computer to tiny pieces, take a Valium (take two, they're only small) and relax.

 

[JuanBolio]

The ship is similar - it has a saucer, a primary hull, two nacelles - but is clearly different!

I have no problem with different, but several times larger strains my credibility.

I bet you lose sleep over the fact that the Millenium Falcon has more living space inside than the outside dimensions would allow.

Not at all. Now if someone re-did Star Wars and tried to make the Falcon the size of a Star Destroyer...

Get over it. Star Trek is NOT about the ship so much as it is about the characters.

In general I agree, but everyone takes something different from it. I like the technology.

Remove this site from your bookmarks, smash your computer to tiny pieces, take a Valium (take two, they're only small) and relax.

I'm perfectly calm and relaxed. My opponents in this thread are the ones who seem to be going a little wild.

 

[Psion]

Its only bigger if you look at it a certain way and in certain scenes, as the designers themselves said. I have no problem at all with a new timeline or even all future stories taking place in it - but it branches off of the old, and that should be reflected. If it doesn't matter to you how big the ship is, then why does it matter to you that I like it better at 300+ meters as opposed to 700?

I am certainly NOT convinced that this reality splinters off the old. The timeline that the Kelvin was in splintered after Picard and crew headed the Borg off in 2061. I don't see that the appearance of the Narada was enough to start the timeline down a new path.

In any event, Old Trek doesn't need to be closely ahdered to. The ship is similar - it has a saucer, a primary hull, two nacelles - but is clearly different! I bet you lose sleep over the fact that the Millenium Falcon has more living space inside than the outside dimensions would allow.

Get over it. Star Trek is NOT about the ship so much as it is about the characters.

Remove this site from your bookmarks, smash your computer to tiny pieces, take a Valium (take two, they're only small) and relax.

The ship is one of the characters.

 

[miraclefan]

I just have to get to post #1701.

Doing that will fill my argument with awesome and win that no mere mortal words, especially those supporting a 700+ meter-long Enterprise, can combat.

Has this become the goal of some people now?

 

[JuanBolio]

The ship is one of the characters.

Quite so.

I just have to get to post #1701.

Doing that will fill my argument with awesome and win that no mere mortal words, especially those supporting a 700+ meter-long Enterprise, can combat.

Has this become the goal of some people now?

As worthy a goal as any.

 

[Psion]

I just have to get to post #1701.

Doing that will fill my argument with awesome and win that no mere mortal words, especially those supporting a 700+ meter-long Enterprise, can combat.

Has this become the goal of some people now?

Are you doing anything better with your life right now?

 

[miraclefan]

I just have to get to post #1701.

Doing that will fill my argument with awesome and win that no mere mortal words, especially those supporting a 700+ meter-long Enterprise, can combat.

Has this become the goal of some people now?

Are you doing anything better with your life right now?

Right at THIS moment? no. Are you?