Sequel/Transformers 2: we're in trouble
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i suspect she did tell her superiors about it and they called in more experienced people to take over her position and that is why she came back to her quaters early.
dang trampledamage beat me too it.
there could have been all kinds on background activity going trying to find out the meaning of the intercepted message .
including sending some ships to the area of klingon space .
but remember this movie is mostly told in first person.
the only person who might have had a reason to been told about it was pike and he might have been busy dealing with other issues and didnt read the breifing report on it yet.
during tos all the time there is a big stuff happening in the background that we dont hear about until someone in starfleet directly informs kirk of it.
dang trampledamage beat me too it.
there could have been all kinds on background activity going trying to find out the meaning of the intercepted message .
including sending some ships to the area of klingon space .
but remember this movie is mostly told in first person.
the only person who might have had a reason to been told about it was pike and he might have been busy dealing with other issues and didnt read the breifing report on it yet.
during tos all the time there is a big stuff happening in the background that we dont hear about until someone in starfleet directly informs kirk of it.
And I expect there were military experts trying to work out what this meant for ship development in the Romulan fleet. They were probably trying to talk to their spies to get more information.
The real problem is that Starfleet didn't take the destruction of the Kelvin more seriously.
they may have taken it seriously but if the narada drifted out into klingon space there may not have been a lot to investigate.
plus a lot of it may have been classified.
the narda publically may been known as a rouge romulan ship .
to me it could have been that nero took some type of craft away from narada and the crew were able to take her into an asteriod field and hid out to repair the ship .
plus a lot of it may have been classified.
the narda publically may been known as a rouge romulan ship .
to me it could have been that nero took some type of craft away from narada and the crew were able to take her into an asteriod field and hid out to repair the ship .
Well, there's kind of an explanation. The ship appears out of nowhere, the Kelvin is destroyed, and this unknown ship then "disappears" for what turns out to be twenty-five years. There could've been a two, three, or four year period after the event where defenses were on higher alert and they were searching for the ship and trying to collect intelligence on it, but especially if all they got were dead ends, sooner or later, things get back to "normal."
Barely 2 minutes of screen time and Dies off screen with no future mention outside of a joke in the book.Gailia- Uhura being the only female character.
Not according to Kirk.
Kirk: Your ship is compromised. Too close to the singularity to SURVIVE without assistance which we are willing to provide.
He used the word survive. Why would he offer assistance to someone he knows wasn't in any danger?
Always did- Scotty having womanizer thoughts towards the Enterprise.
Example please.
Well that's dandy. Her only contribution to the entire movie wasn't even worth the screen time to showcase her abilities. Just say it happens and that's enough. And if you think her obtaining the communications station on the bridge makes anything different, take note on how the only thing she does during her entire time on the bridge is limited to saying "we're being hailed". That's it. Want more examples on how useless she is?
After Vulcan is destroyed, Spock orders someone to communicate with Starfleet on what's transpired. Is it Uhura who does this? No. It's someone off screen.
Near the end of the movie after Chekov tells Kirk that the Narada is losing power and it's shields are down, he says "Hail them now". Who does the actual hailing? Chekov. Why? I don't know. Uhura is there on the bridge, manning her station, but she doesn't do anything that actually involves communications!
Ah, yes. Parents love Kids movies with Robots testicles, frat party strip clubs, John Turturro in a G-string, and drugged brownies. They really know their audience alright.
But I think someone should have programmed a flag into the computer that fired when the phrase "lightning storm in space" was entered so they could go "Oh crap, it's that ship that destroyed the Kelvin".
(but then, obviously we wouldn't have a movie so I can live with that.)
I think Trek 2 could be trouble if the writers create another lame storyline. I really don't understand why people are putting these writers on a pedestal when they came up with such a poorly written script of a sci-fi generic nature that lacked any character development, logic or common sense.
Also, if Abrams doesn't direct, then it's not going to be the end of the world. In fact, bad science, explosions, shooting, loud sounds, state-of-the-art special effects etc. are a dime-a-dozen these days. I'm not particularly impressed with his style of lens flares, extreme closeups of people's nostrils, rushing from scene to scene, etc. We only need a director that can do justice to an excellent script. Here's hoping for the sequel.
Ditto, Larraby. What the next Trek needs is some intelligence and an effective sci-fi concept.
And have you seen BOM's estimate for Friday of this week?
They are predicting that ST has only dropped by 19.2%. As a seasoned box office watcher I can tell you, for a film that is around six weeks old, that is absolutely incredible.
I don't think a lot of people appreciate how rare it is for that to happen.
One movie cannot service all the main characters (if you even want to call all of them "main characters"). Like I've said in other threads (about Takei wanting his own show and his self-importance), Sulu, Chekov and Uhura were 5th, 6th & 7th bananas on TOS. A major motion picture cannot always service all of them. They all had some intergral thing to do, and that's their function. (Scotty was a fourth banana, but he became more used in TOS as the season(s) progressed).
As for Gaila, we don't know that she is dead off screen. She may have been assigned Enterprise. THERE IS NO CANON SCENE/STATEMENT/IMPLICATION that she was not assigned to Enterprise. You don't hear what ship she got at the assignment call. She was happy (smiled big at Uhura), so she might also be on Enterprise. We don't know as of yet.
As for Gaila, we don't know that she is dead off screen. She may have been assigned Enterprise. THERE IS NO CANON SCENE/STATEMENT/IMPLICATION that she was not assigned to Enterprise. You don't hear what ship she got at the assignment call. She was happy (smiled big at Uhura), so she might also be on Enterprise. We don't know as of yet.
*shrugs* I don't care if they phone it in for Transformers. They've already proven more than capable of writing a good Trek film.
First of all being a Transformers fan for almost as long as I've been a Trekkie, let me learn you some Transformers now....
1) Transformers was NOT a Japanese show. It was Produced by the North American production company Sunbow, who gave us GI Joe, Jem, The Inhumanoids, Big Foot. The show was based around toys brought over from japan. These toys were from the Micro Man and Diaclone and a story was built around them about A planet named Cybertron that was dying due to a war between two factions the Autonoums Robots (Autobots) and an offshoot faction called the Deceptcions, both factions were led by Leaders named Optimus Prime and Megatron. When the two ships (the Ark and Nemesis) Battled above Prehistoric Earth they crashed, one in the Laurenthian trench (ooh where did that come from) and one into Mt. Saint Hilary (A Volcano in what would become Oregon) 4 million years later the dormant Volcano erupts and reawakens the Decepticons and Autobots. Their war renewed, the battle for the planet's vast resources begins and the Autobots end up befriending a young teen named Spike Whitwhicky and his dad "Sparkplug" who are working on an oil rig attacked by the decepticons.... (All the locations were in America which would be unheard of for a Japanese cartoon back in the 80's.)
2)The 2007 movie was one of the biggest money making movies of that year... Written by the guys who made one of the biggest money making movies of this year. (These are not opinions, these are facts)
3) The main plotline in TF1 was actually deeper than the one from ST09. The Transformers come to earth looking for a Cybertronian artifact that is resposible for creating the Cybertronians. There are two factions, the Autonuoms Robots (Autobots) and the Decepticons. The Factions are lead by Optimus Prime and Megatron respectively. A teen age kid (And there's always a teen age kid{Unless it's Beast Wars/Beast Machines }) has his grandfather's glasses which have the coordinates of the allspark etched into them. Our hero is chased by a bad guy (Named Barricade) who is trying to get the glasses from him, an Autobot (Bumblebee) who has positioned himself to be the boys protector. Sam (The kid) eventually meets the rest of the Autobots and sees through the course of the film that he's now in something deeper than his daily concerns (Get cool car, get girl he's interested in) he's forced to become a hero. There's alot of character development there he goes from this punk kid to a man.
4) The movie made 700 million dollars world wide. THERE ARE NOT THAT MANY TRANSFORMERS FANS... In fact there are LESS Transformers fans (Hardcore or otherwise) than there are STAR TREK FANS (yes there are more ST FANS, TF Fans get one major convention a year. ST Fans have a plethora of conventions and celebrations that they can go to during the year)
So the fact that the move made 700 million dollars means there had to be something there to hook people. Was it deep sci fi, no it wasn't, and Transformers has never been deep sci fi. In fact with the addition of the "Matrix of Leadership" and Unicron in the 1986 movie, and the addition of Primus in the AEC trilogy there is more than a little mysticism added to the mix. The movie though wasn't trash or rubbish especially if you paid attention. (Which I think is 90 percent of most people's problems in the hate camps for both films is they go in with such a dismissive attitude that they don't pay attention to the story and only pay attention to the flaws.)
... Where was I... Oh yeah. There had to be something that hooked people. There has to be something that has people wanting to see the next one (because there are) once again though you can't say what you like is better than what someone else like, because it's all subjective. I liked Transformers, for what it was, a movie about Transformers it had enough of what made the 80 cartoon, comics, and movie to make me enjoy it.
Same with ST09, it had enough of what made me like Star Trek for it to be a good Star Trek movie for me.
Canada, sort of. It's a product of ice-age glaciation and of the outflow of the St Lawrence (Lawrence, Laurentian) River into the North Atlantic.
I'll even make it for him.You've got to give M'Sharak time to sit down and have a cup of tea before starting the new forum!
I was just curious, for example, how long this forum was established before the movie debuted. It doesn't seem like they really have anything to talk about yet.
still like the idea of keeping the forum but just rebrand it.
for one thing we will have the dvd's and whatever extra's there are and by then possibly more tidbits about the next movie.
Me too for keeping this forum for STXI and sequels and just rename it.
New Reality? New Timeline?
They're not different. They are stylistically the same. That is why the two are being compared.
