Who says it has to end like that? If they can erase 40 years of TV. They can erase 2 hours of cinema.
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TV SHOW please
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Yes! New series. Since it'll probably be done by Bryan Fuller of the awesome (and cancelled) Wonderfalls and Pushing Daisies, who's been capaigning to do a new series anyway, I'd vote for Lee Pace as the star. Those two seem to like working together anyway; besides Pace actually looks like a 1960's movie star.
In order to keep the new show from stepping on the toes of the JJ Abrams movies, I would keep it in the Star Trek universe but NOT on a Star Fleet ship. I would totally rip off Firefly and set it on a pirate/smuggling ship operating on the outskirts of the Federation. Maybe a stolen Romulan Warbird? (since I like that design) with a cloaking device and a largely ex-starfleet crew.
The main cast would be former officers who were kicked out Starfleet for various reasons (that would be explored or hinted at week-to-week) who now exploit their knowledge of Federation patrols and protocols to evade capture, and pull off daring heists.
They would be pursued by a Federation starship twice the size of the NuEnterprise captained by a stick in the mud intellectual, much like Picard only less experienced or charaismatic and more way more pedantic and bureaucratic. The Captain of the pirate ship would be a lot like Kirk, only less ethical and more of a bitter anti-hero (kinda like Mal from Firefly). As they play this cat and mouse game through the galaxy the human crew of the pirate ship unconsciously bring their 23rd century Federation/Rodenberry idealism to their shady business deals and criminal enterprises.
As you can see, I've thought a lot about this. I think the main inspiriation came from the one-two punch of Star Trek III and The Voyage Home. As a kid watchiong those movies, I would have been more than happy if the crew of the enterprise stayed on The Bounty continued being chased by The Exelsior (or whatever) in at least one more movie.
In order to keep the new show from stepping on the toes of the JJ Abrams movies, I would keep it in the Star Trek universe but NOT on a Star Fleet ship. I would totally rip off Firefly and set it on a pirate/smuggling ship operating on the outskirts of the Federation. Maybe a stolen Romulan Warbird? (since I like that design) with a cloaking device and a largely ex-starfleet crew.
The main cast would be former officers who were kicked out Starfleet for various reasons (that would be explored or hinted at week-to-week) who now exploit their knowledge of Federation patrols and protocols to evade capture, and pull off daring heists.
They would be pursued by a Federation starship twice the size of the NuEnterprise captained by a stick in the mud intellectual, much like Picard only less experienced or charaismatic and more way more pedantic and bureaucratic. The Captain of the pirate ship would be a lot like Kirk, only less ethical and more of a bitter anti-hero (kinda like Mal from Firefly). As they play this cat and mouse game through the galaxy the human crew of the pirate ship unconsciously bring their 23rd century Federation/Rodenberry idealism to their shady business deals and criminal enterprises.
As you can see, I've thought a lot about this. I think the main inspiriation came from the one-two punch of Star Trek III and The Voyage Home. As a kid watchiong those movies, I would have been more than happy if the crew of the enterprise stayed on The Bounty continued being chased by The Exelsior (or whatever) in at least one more movie.
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New T.V. show, with this cast? 
I WISH! *will NEVER happen*
I WISH! *will NEVER happen*
I'd totally watch a modern serialized show with this cast, even though it's severely doubtful.
Though, by the time the trilogy is made, Quinto will probably be free, on another show or doing other movies. Just give me the rest of Sylar first. Star Trek's success has pretty much made Sylar the most unkillable character on that show. They would be insane to lose Quinto.
One thing in this film's favor is that none of these actors are A-list (Bana is probably the closest--Urban and Saldaña had minuscule roles in the LotR and PotC franchises) and some are even television actors (Quinto). Pine had a teen flick past--he desperately needed to kill that (television is more respected than Princess Diaries 2 and a Lindsey Lohan movie--yikes). But I kind of doubt that a show would happen.
Honestly, I couldn't see myself interested in a non-Kirk/Spock TOS-related Trek. And it'd have to be an equally impressive bunch to make a separate television cast in addition to the movies cast. And as I said... The generation who probably is getting introduced to the characters with this film, if a film were to be made, it would have to be this cast with modern cinematic television production values and hopefully a more serialized plotline like a lot of the modern fantasy shows have.
Though, by the time the trilogy is made, Quinto will probably be free, on another show or doing other movies. Just give me the rest of Sylar first. Star Trek's success has pretty much made Sylar the most unkillable character on that show. They would be insane to lose Quinto.
One thing in this film's favor is that none of these actors are A-list (Bana is probably the closest--Urban and Saldaña had minuscule roles in the LotR and PotC franchises) and some are even television actors (Quinto). Pine had a teen flick past--he desperately needed to kill that (television is more respected than Princess Diaries 2 and a Lindsey Lohan movie--yikes). But I kind of doubt that a show would happen.
Honestly, I couldn't see myself interested in a non-Kirk/Spock TOS-related Trek. And it'd have to be an equally impressive bunch to make a separate television cast in addition to the movies cast. And as I said... The generation who probably is getting introduced to the characters with this film, if a film were to be made, it would have to be this cast with modern cinematic television production values and hopefully a more serialized plotline like a lot of the modern fantasy shows have.
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We won't see Trek on TV for quite some time. And that's a good thing. Trek is finally recovering after years of exhaustion. There was at least one Trek series on-air at all times between 1987 - 2005. There were also several movies produced during that time. The market was just oversaturated with all of these various incarnations of Trek. Too much.
After the success of ST'09, it seems like we're going to get a couple more movies out of this bunch. The cast are signed for two sequels, I believe. We'll get at least one of them, if not both. After that, it's probably over. I just don't see Pine and Quinto and the rest of the cast sticking with the franchise beyond their 3-film commitment. They're young and becoming popular and won't want to be type-cast in these roles. So a trilogy is probably it.
Until then, I don't expect to see Trek on TV. CBS doesn't really seem interested in resurrecting the franchise on the small screen. Les Moonves would never greenlight a Trek series to air on CBS. It just wouldn't happen. And there are no adequate cable outlets. Networks like Sci-Fi and USA are owned by NBC Universal. The new trend at the networks is to own the programming you air (so anything that CBS produces should air on a CBS-owned network) so I don't see them shopping Trek around to different networks.
There's also the question of what type of Trek series would work best. It would need to be set within the Abramsverse, since that is the new status quo from here on out (and the average movie-goer has accepted the universe). It can't be set on the Enterprise as to not conflict with the films. What do you do? How do you make it interesting and different and engaging without making it seem like a cheap knock-off?
After the success of ST'09, it seems like we're going to get a couple more movies out of this bunch. The cast are signed for two sequels, I believe. We'll get at least one of them, if not both. After that, it's probably over. I just don't see Pine and Quinto and the rest of the cast sticking with the franchise beyond their 3-film commitment. They're young and becoming popular and won't want to be type-cast in these roles. So a trilogy is probably it.
Until then, I don't expect to see Trek on TV. CBS doesn't really seem interested in resurrecting the franchise on the small screen. Les Moonves would never greenlight a Trek series to air on CBS. It just wouldn't happen. And there are no adequate cable outlets. Networks like Sci-Fi and USA are owned by NBC Universal. The new trend at the networks is to own the programming you air (so anything that CBS produces should air on a CBS-owned network) so I don't see them shopping Trek around to different networks.
There's also the question of what type of Trek series would work best. It would need to be set within the Abramsverse, since that is the new status quo from here on out (and the average movie-goer has accepted the universe). It can't be set on the Enterprise as to not conflict with the films. What do you do? How do you make it interesting and different and engaging without making it seem like a cheap knock-off?
I don't want to see a new tv show until we have at least 2 more successful movies with the current cast.
And even then I'd like to see them attempt a serious animated or CGI show first.
Anyway, I'm perfectly capable and satisfied with sitting back and enjoying the 2-3 year process between movies at this point.
And even then I'd like to see them attempt a serious animated or CGI show first.
Anyway, I'm perfectly capable and satisfied with sitting back and enjoying the 2-3 year process between movies at this point.
You can have the show in a different continuity. I dont think anyone would really be confused. Die hard fans wouldnt care, and nuFans arent tied to any idea of canon.
You can have a superboy show a superman movie and superman comics in three different continuities and its just fine. In some versions, Lex grew up with Clark and in others he didnt. Whats the problem? Who's confused?
You can have a superboy show a superman movie and superman comics in three different continuities and its just fine. In some versions, Lex grew up with Clark and in others he didnt. Whats the problem? Who's confused?
Bryan Fuller again expresses his desire for a new Trek show set in Abrams' Trekverse:
http://scifiwire.com/2009/06/why-bryan-fuller-thinks-h.php
http://scifiwire.com/2009/06/why-bryan-fuller-thinks-h.php
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Well that's certainly vague enough... 
Money governs the t.v industry, they never have and never will learn their lesson. If they think a new Trek series will appeal to people and make money, then they'll make it. Most likely starting after the second movie in 2011/2012.
I just hope they do it right, probably with Abrams supervising. The emphasis should be on high production values, and possibly a shorter season to increase the budget for each episode. I'd rather see 15-16 really well thought out good stories with great SFX than 22-24 episodes with some bad ones thrown in there.
And for the love of Zeus NO MORE forehead of the week aliens. If i see a new alien in a Trek series and the only thing that differentiates them from Humans is that they have a small mark on their forehead then i will personally execute the producers for their lack of imagination. Oh and no more time travel, unless its done as an absolute one off, and no more reset buttons.
I just hope they do it right, probably with Abrams supervising. The emphasis should be on high production values, and possibly a shorter season to increase the budget for each episode. I'd rather see 15-16 really well thought out good stories with great SFX than 22-24 episodes with some bad ones thrown in there.
And for the love of Zeus NO MORE forehead of the week aliens. If i see a new alien in a Trek series and the only thing that differentiates them from Humans is that they have a small mark on their forehead then i will personally execute the producers for their lack of imagination. Oh and no more time travel, unless its done as an absolute one off, and no more reset buttons.
Please no animated stuff. I hate the clown wars kiddie shitfest even more than Episode 1.
RobertScorpio
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if JJ was running it? Then maybe. But I agree with your worries about "Forehead of the week" plots. Dorkdome went in overdrive, and is now only starting to 'fade' with the passage of time, thanks to the lasting effects of modern-TREKAGE.
Rob
Forget bulging forheads--I want some bulging EYEBALLS...
RobertScorpio
Pariah
Eyeballs are good. But they need to go back to the TOS strategy of having bulging breasts!!!
Rob
Two different companies. Paramount Pictures (Viacom) owns movie Trek and CBS Television owns TV Trek. And as someone pointed out, Les Moonbeam has blinders on about Trek and SF in general. He would have to be deposed to get Trek made again for TV. Where is Mel K?
Uh, yeah....NO.
A new Trek show would have to be about a Starfleet vessel (named Enteprise) with a crew that anyone gave a damn about, not these wrong side of the road, fanboy wank stories, sorry.
Hope not. Brand dilution isn't really the best idea coming off of years of brand dilution.
"Fatigue" is the word I keep seeing and agree with.
"Fatigue" is the word I keep seeing and agree with.
RobertScorpio
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Totally agree. However, I trust JJ. If he thought he could do a TV show, and also keep the movie franchise up and fresh, then yeah. But anyone else? No. And since I don't think they would get JJ to do a TVshow, they should just not do it...but TV-Paramount has always seemd a bit, well, dumb in this area. So we shall see..
rob
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