No prob!Say, that's nice of you.
Count me in, too. Dead and dead. Nuke this thread from orbit! (It's the safest way.)
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To the overall point of the derail, darkwing, you are indeed correct. Neither the TOS or TMP design included anywhere near enough raw material and emergency material storage, even assuming an extremely efficient replicator-based recycling system. Maybe more relevantly, it also wasn't big enough to support the kinds of large fabrication gear that was probably required for that kind of operation; a self-contained starship of this type would be flying around with the equivalent of a foundry and two chemical plants on its back. The NuEnterprise appears to pack all of this snugly into the engineering section, which is part of the reason why it looks the way it does.
Back on this relatively dead topic: I agree. I say we take off, nuke the thread from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
Back on this relatively dead topic: I agree. I say we take off, nuke the thread from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
If NuEnterprise has a larger crew then raw material and emergency material needs should also be larger. I suppose mission duration should fit in there too.
To quote John Cleese from Alan Parsons' "Chomolungma"--
"How much longer is this going on?
I mean it's rolling on and on and on, sonny!
And now here's a good simple question:
what year did Cardinal Richelieu die?
1642. That's the sort of interchange we should be having,
not these strange... rambling expirations of your own unconscious...
Now come along, sonny."
"How much longer is this going on?
I mean it's rolling on and on and on, sonny!
And now here's a good simple question:
what year did Cardinal Richelieu die?
1642. That's the sort of interchange we should be having,
not these strange... rambling expirations of your own unconscious...
Now come along, sonny."
No, tripling the size would mean a 27x increase in internal volume. So, it's more similar to the Galaxy class at this point; basically Ongoing Mission (because we'll run out of redshirts long before we run out of spare parts).
don't we have infinite timelines to pull additional redshirts from...
and from the immortal words of Master Jedi Yoda "size matters not"
and from the immortal words of Master Jedi Yoda "size matters not"
Tripling the length, yes. But the volume would be, as noted above, about 27 times greater because the height and width are increased too.
be that as it may.....
it's fifteen year mission.... to seek out new worlds... conquer new females.... to boldly poke where no man has poked before....
Deks is right.
If a replicator converts matter to energy and then re-integrates that energy into matter in a new pattern why would it need matter to begin with?
This is supported by TNG's "Second Chances" and TOS's "The Enemy Within." In both cases the transporter creates duplicate people with no additional source matter. If the transporter can create matter from energy with no source matter, the replicator can too.
If a replicator converts matter to energy and then re-integrates that energy into matter in a new pattern why would it need matter to begin with?
This is supported by TNG's "Second Chances" and TOS's "The Enemy Within." In both cases the transporter creates duplicate people with no additional source matter. If the transporter can create matter from energy with no source matter, the replicator can too.
Or have a dedicated system that creates the raw material from energy; and the replicators use this raw material.
Alan Dean Foster's movie adaptation states a 3000 foot length which is about three times scaling with a 9 times increase in floor area and 27 times increase in volume and comes out with 72 decks.
I like that as the Enterprise should have 'presence' that such a top of the line ST heavy cruiser should have as the original is too small.
I consider this alternate reality to be a good idea though having cadets just appointed officers and Captain is troubling.
Still, it makes a good movie.
I like that as the Enterprise should have 'presence' that such a top of the line ST heavy cruiser should have as the original is too small.
I consider this alternate reality to be a good idea though having cadets just appointed officers and Captain is troubling.
Still, it makes a good movie.
Which ultimately is all that counts.
That's no good. We need at least 6 more decks to match up with established canon, 5 if there's no deck 13 on the Enterprise for cutesy tradition reasons.
Because neither transporters nor replicators "convert matter into energy." Warp cores do that, and energy cannot be converted back into matter. This misconception is based on an erroneous understanding of physics and the oddly trekish assumption that "energy" is some kind of meta-substance that can be pumped around in pipes (see the concept of "pure energy" and other incomprehensible notions).
To break it down simply: though energy and matter are equivalent, energy is NOT matter and matter is NOT energy. Energy is a property that matter has, and can be measured in electron volts, kelvins, joules, etc. You can reduce a quantity of material to a stream of ions to make it easier to move around, and in some theories you can even mount it on a carrier wave and "beam it somewhere." But the transfer between energy and matter involves high energy annihilation reactions between matter and antimatter.
Neither of which could be repeated, not even accidentally, without very specific and confusing situations involved. Energy/matter/energy conversion technology would make it possible to copy anyone, any time, any where, for any reason. Cloning would be obsolete overnight, and intelligence capers like the Romulan spy/ambassador faking her death in "Data's Day" would be incomprehensible at best (you wouldn't have to fake anything, in fact all the Romulans would have to do is copy T'pel and beam the copy back to the Enterprise to keep on spying on the Federation).
now now... you can't go applying reality to Trek. That's against the rules!
The second confinement beam apparently imparted Tom Riker's pattern on some of those weird funky energetic particles in the planet's atmosphere. It has no connection with the actual function of the transporter itself. If it was, copying human beings during transport could be done INTENTIONALLY, and--as I've just pointed out above--there are plenty of people in the universe who could think of a reason to do this.
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