What does "Closed" mean to you?

[JimCasy]

They work at Subway for a reason.

That's the kind of attitude that makes people think it's okay to treat people who have a job in food/retail like shit.

No, it's the truth. Because someone has a low level job doesn't mean they should be abused. They're either teens that don't have knowledge or don't care to service the customers or they are people who for one reason or another cannot get a better job. Doesn't in ANY way mean they should be abused. Clear?

That's nice of you to say that. I mean, the fact that I'm not a teenager and I work in food service obviously means there's no way I could get a better job. I actually, for the most part, like my job. If I didn't, I'd go apply for something in an office, or go back to school or what have you.

Besides, I'm making more per hour delivering pizza than some people are who went to college. And I don't have thousands of dollars of student loans to pay off, or a mountain of credit card debt.

 

[TheLonelySquire]

That's the kind of attitude that makes people think it's okay to treat people who have a job in food/retail like shit.

No, it's the truth. Because someone has a low level job doesn't mean they should be abused. They're either teens that don't have knowledge or don't care to service the customers or they are people who for one reason or another cannot get a better job. Doesn't in ANY way mean they should be abused. Clear?

That's nice of you to say that. I mean, the fact that I'm not a teenager and I work in food service obviously means there's no way I could get a better job. I actually, for the most part, like my job. If I didn't, I'd go apply for something in an office, or go back to school or what have you.

Besides, I'm making more per hour delivering pizza than some people are who went to college. And I don't have thousands of dollars of student loans to pay off, or a mountain of credit card debt.

If you're happy as a pizza delivery guy then more power to you. I do wonder how much you could possibly make per hour though.

 

[TheLonelySquire]

That's the kind of attitude that makes people think it's okay to treat people who have a job in food/retail like shit.

No, it's the truth. Because someone has a low level job doesn't mean they should be abused. They're either teens that don't have knowledge or don't care to service the customers or they are people who for one reason or another cannot get a better job. Doesn't in ANY way mean they should be abused. Clear?

Stupid people expecting to go home when their shift is over!

They shouldn't have cleaned the place up. You know, just in case someone decides to walk in minutes before the place is closed and make people make a big mess.



I've got this disease in me that means I think of other people and put myself in their position.

As a result I, personally, wouldn't walk into a subshop at 8:55 at night and make them redo all of their closing procedures just so I can get a few sandwiches.

Service being the operative term, Trekker. Not that you couldn't get a better job, perhaps you're simply not motivated to or have found a comfort zone. Perhaps you just love cutting meat. Whatever.

You are there to serve and that means everyone who walks in the door before you close, regardless of whether you have cleaned the bone saw or not.

 

[dave_R_treker]

Now, if they would give the item to the cashier, i wouldn't mind. It would be in a few centralized locations, and we could easily put it back. When there are things all over the store, it gets that much more difficult to clean it all up.

What ticks me off is when a customer puts something that needs to be refrigerated (especially meat) on a shelf in the middle of the store.

 

[Trekker4747]

No, it's the truth. Because someone has a low level job doesn't mean they should be abused. They're either teens that don't have knowledge or don't care to service the customers or they are people who for one reason or another cannot get a better job. Doesn't in ANY way mean they should be abused. Clear?

Stupid people expecting to go home when their shift is over!

They shouldn't have cleaned the place up. You know, just in case someone decides to walk in minutes before the place is closed and make people make a big mess.



I've got this disease in me that means I think of other people and put myself in their position.

As a result I, personally, wouldn't walk into a subshop at 8:55 at night and make them redo all of their closing procedures just so I can get a few sandwiches.

Service being the operative term, Trekker. Not that you couldn't get a better job, perhaps you're simply not motivated to or have found a comfort zone. Perhaps you just love cutting meat. Whatever.

You are there to serve and that means everyone who walks in the door before you close, regardless of whether you have cleaned the bone saw or not.

I like my job. It provides me with a good ammount of money to have a good living, it's not overly stressful and I've got a lot of freedom. I'm also the boss so I make my own hours and time off. Which also means I'm more likely to pick up a pen and notebook now than a knife.

 

[Tiberius Jim]

Where do you work? When i say bottom line I mean your monthly PnL. Cell phone is a pure profit item. You can ONLY make money on them.( as line as they pay the bill) Add a line or not. Back in my Wal-Mart days i remember there are store that sell so many phone that they bring in more profit then the entire store combined. These were $100,000,000+ stores.
Talk about money per Sqft..

Radioshack. I personally would have gotten a whopping $15 (before taxes). I know the store would have gotten a lot for it but frankly I couldn't care less. As long as they stay in business for 4 more months, I'm good.

Wow, make sure you tell the next person who you are hoping to hire you that.

Seeing as the next place I interview will be a business related to my field and not in any way related to retail, I'd imagine they wouldn't give two fucks about my attitude in regards to consumer electronics retail.

No, it's the truth. Because someone has a low level job doesn't mean they should be abused. They're either teens that don't have knowledge or don't care to service the customers or they are people who for one reason or another cannot get a better job. Doesn't in ANY way mean they should be abused. Clear?

You know, I've tried hard lately to not become offended by some of the asinine things said on this board, but this one comes across as pretty downright fucking offensive.

Let me get this straight. All retail employees (or in your definition, holders of a low level job) fall into two categories.

1. Uneducated, careless teenagers.

2. Losers who can't get anything better.

Nevermind the countless other reasons why somebody might find themselves working in a low level job. Hmm, maybe it is because they're working their way through college, paying the bills while they earn their degree? Maybe they have the motivation and the drive to do more in their professional career, but maybe they don't quite have that piece of paper that lets them pursue those dreams? Or maybe this is their part time second job in addition to a higher level job and they're working retail to help pay the bills.

No, of course none of those things could be true. Let's just assume every Joe Nametag you come across is either an idiot or a loser, or maybe both. That way you can treat him like shit and feel fine about it, because anybody on a higher level wouldn't be forced to work in retail.

Its that mentality that makes people feel its okay to walk in a minute before a store closes and demand to be given the same treatment as if the store had just opened for the day. Low level jobs apparently employ low level people who don't deserve simple human decency. Who gives a shit about them, right? You just *need* your phone or your ground beef right NOW and fuck the guy who now has to completely alter his entire night just for you. He has a family to get home to. He has homework or a second job or a new baby or a sick grandfather to get home to.

Who cares, though. He's just a low level person.

 

[Trekker4747]

:standing ovation to Flux:

Indeed. If fewer people had TLS' additude towards (turns up nose) low level employees then our jobs would be a whole hell of a lot better.

Yeah, that person comes in at the last minute to get something they're going to get it. You helped your guy as best as you could, I helped mine as best as I could -which resulted in me staying an hour later at work.

All I'm saying as that those people have no respect or understanding of others. And maybe, just maybe considering what they're doing to others by walking in at the last possible minute to order a special-cut of meat, and special "fresh" hamburger, or a handful of sandwiches.

I would *never* do something like that because I understand that people are going to be annoyed. It's not a matter of "they should do it because it's their job" it's a matter of just respecting your fellow man.

And TLS' 'tude to "low level employees" is hardly new. Guess what, man? They may be "low-level employees" but without them, who's going to make you those sandwiches or hamburger, huh?

Get a concept of other people before you speak again.

 

[Plecostomus]

I've worked plenty of "low level" jobs over time. You take the jobs you can get around here. I've seen 20 year vets of Kodak and Xerox delivering pizza or flipping burgers because right now THAT IS ALL YOU CAN GET AROUND HERE.


Right now I am working at a print-shop and a burger joint because my "day job" at the machine shop is very very slow. I guess despite my degree and decades of experience I'm a low-level person.

As I pointed out on The Practical Machinist Forum slavery was abolished many many decades ago. Stop treating people as if they are your tools for your amusement and you'll find your life to be much smoother and much happier.

 

[SeerSGB]

I've worked plenty of "low level" jobs over time. You take the jobs you can get around here. I've seen 20 year vets of Kodak and Xerox delivering pizza or flipping burgers because right now THAT IS ALL YOU CAN GET AROUND HERE.


Right now I am working at a print-shop and a burger joint because my "day job" at the machine shop is very very slow. I guess despite my degree and decades of experience I'm a low-level person.

As I pointed out on The Practical Machinist Forum slavery was abolished many many decades ago. Stop treating people as if they are your tools for your amusement and you'll find your life to be much smoother and much happier.

Bingo, you take what you can get to keep the family afloat.

Hell, my father-in-law has 2 decades in the Canadian auto-industry, he's on a "lay off subject to immediate recall" right now, 3 years till retirement, he found out last week they've hired in a new kid out of highschool at 1/4 his pay and 0 experience to do the job that was "cut back". Come the first of July he finds out if he's gone for good or still on "rotating call back"-- week on, 3 off. My FIL never missed a day of work unless he was in the hospital-- and even then he left the hospital and went to work with freaking pnuemonia. Now he's working in his brother in law's machine shop popping out small run items and running pizzas for the other brother in law...but you know what he doesn't see at a "low job" cause it's keeping his family fed and paying the mortage.

Shit I've owned my own business for over 10 years now, when times were lean I worked "day jobs" to see me through. The recession has kicked my head in this year, money is drying up, and not matter how much I hustle there's no freelance jobs to be had around here. I might have to get a job in a couple of months to keep the lights on and help the wife with the bills, if I have to, I have to. If I have to scrub a toilet, fine as long as it make sures my kid has food and roof over his head, then it's the best job on the planet.

Anyone that thinks a job makes them better than someone, or that they can shit on "low level" employees, I hope they never have to be one of the "little people" cause I don't want to hear the hypocritcal whining when they come in here and start complaining about how shitty some customer treated them.

No matter how crappy a employee is-- and yes I have complained to bosses in the past-- I never treat them with anything but respect cause it could be me on the other side of that counter.

 

[Plecostomus]

Hey it's ok, us little people, us low-level people will be glad to show him how it's done when he becomes one of us in a few months.

Nice thing about this economic meltdown... alot of high-and-mighty folk are getting a taste of the McLifestyle and working for The King this time around. Like I said I'm working at a Burger Box part time because my Real Job is slow. Other day we had a fellow come in from Vette Thermal Technology. He was a Manager Supremo there and following orientation he was placed on the grill for training.

You could tell it was tearing him up inside to have to take orders from someone half his age and follow procedure without deviation while meeting a tight deadline.

I really did feal bad for the fellow but that's life.

Hopefully when things correct themselves they'll rethink how they behave twords their fellow employee and twords customers.

 

[SeerSGB]

I've been in situation like that: A few years back, was working a "low level" job, then have one of the assholes that thought they were better than me come in that and have to eat crow and be the store "bitch" cause they acted like they were "to good" for the job.

I was working a restaurant gig once and we had a guy come in from one of the local companies that got caught in a manager layoff. Everything he was asked to do or was told to do was a freaking argument. The phrase "Why? Cause I'm better than those assholes!" was a common defence for him when he was asked about why he didn't do something.

When his car got repoed and his was bumming rides from the "assholes" and he was kicked out of his apartment and he needed a place to crash, his attitude changed real damn quick.

 

[JimCasy]

If you're happy as a pizza delivery guy then more power to you. I do wonder how much you could possibly make per hour though.

*cough*girl*cough*

Anyway, I make minimum wage on my paycheck, but, depending on the day/night, I usually make between $13 and $20 an hour when you include tips.

And my sister's a teacher, but she also works a part time job at a movie rental store to pay her bills. So that "low-level person" working behind the counter has dedicated herself to working with special ed kids. That really makes her a slacker teenager or loser, right?

 

[RoJoHen]

My mom is a high school teacher, and I make more money than her annually as a bartender (well, maybe not anymore since she got her Masters, but pretty close). That's not saying that teacher salaries are good or anything, but I make at least as much as someone with a "real" job.

Factoring in tips, I usually make between $20-30 per hour.

 

[Aragorn]

Plus, as movies have shown us, bartenders get to take home women that look like Elisabeth Shue and Gina Gershon.

 

[RoJoHen]

Plus, as movies have shown us, bartenders get to take home women that look like Elisabeth Shue and Gina Gershon.

I, sadly, have only taken one woman home in my 3-years as a bartender. It makes me sad.

 

[TheLonelySquire]

Radioshack. I personally would have gotten a whopping $15 (before taxes). I know the store would have gotten a lot for it but frankly I couldn't care less. As long as they stay in business for 4 more months, I'm good.

Wow, make sure you tell the next person who you are hoping to hire you that.

Seeing as the next place I interview will be a business related to my field and not in any way related to retail, I'd imagine they wouldn't give two fucks about my attitude in regards to consumer electronics retail.

No, it's the truth. Because someone has a low level job doesn't mean they should be abused. They're either teens that don't have knowledge or don't care to service the customers or they are people who for one reason or another cannot get a better job. Doesn't in ANY way mean they should be abused. Clear?

You know, I've tried hard lately to not become offended by some of the asinine things said on this board, but this one comes across as pretty downright fucking offensive.

Let me get this straight. All retail employees (or in your definition, holders of a low level job) fall into two categories.

1. Uneducated, careless teenagers.

2. Losers who can't get anything better.

Nevermind the countless other reasons why somebody might find themselves working in a low level job. Hmm, maybe it is because they're working their way through college, paying the bills while they earn their degree? Maybe they have the motivation and the drive to do more in their professional career, but maybe they don't quite have that piece of paper that lets them pursue those dreams? Or maybe this is their part time second job in addition to a higher level job and they're working retail to help pay the bills.

No, of course none of those things could be true. Let's just assume every Joe Nametag you come across is either an idiot or a loser, or maybe both. That way you can treat him like shit and feel fine about it, because anybody on a higher level wouldn't be forced to work in retail.

Its that mentality that makes people feel its okay to walk in a minute before a store closes and demand to be given the same treatment as if the store had just opened for the day. Low level jobs apparently employ low level people who don't deserve simple human decency. Who gives a shit about them, right? You just *need* your phone or your ground beef right NOW and fuck the guy who now has to completely alter his entire night just for you. He has a family to get home to. He has homework or a second job or a new baby or a sick grandfather to get home to.

Who cares, though. He's just a low level person.

Actually you're right on a couple of points. A retail clerk may indeed be someone working an extra job or working their way through school. Thanks for pointing that out.

I disagree on your last point however. If you're working in a service position you are there to serve, whether it's minute one of your shift or the final minute. If the transaction begins on your shift and it's store policy to help the customer under those circumstances, too bad. It's the nature of the business and you signed up for it. If you have other obligations later that night that should be worked out with your supervisor and accomodations should be made to have someone else do your job for you.

 

[TheLonelySquire]

:standing ovation to Flux:

Indeed. If fewer people had TLS' additude towards (turns up nose) low level employees then our jobs would be a whole hell of a lot better.

Yeah, that person comes in at the last minute to get something they're going to get it. You helped your guy as best as you could, I helped mine as best as I could -which resulted in me staying an hour later at work.

All I'm saying as that those people have no respect or understanding of others. And maybe, just maybe considering what they're doing to others by walking in at the last possible minute to order a special-cut of meat, and special "fresh" hamburger, or a handful of sandwiches.

I would *never* do something like that because I understand that people are going to be annoyed. It's not a matter of "they should do it because it's their job" it's a matter of just respecting your fellow man.

And TLS' 'tude to "low level employees" is hardly new. Guess what, man? They may be "low-level employees" but without them, who's going to make you those sandwiches or hamburger, huh?

Get a concept of other people before you speak again.

God forbid we expect people to do their job. Please...

Life can be tough Trekker. I have deadlines and expectations and some are unrealistic. I suck it up and don't moan about working extra hours, odd hours, whatever. It's what I have to do to satisfy the client and get ahead. But that's just me.

 

[Trekker4747]

You also seem to consider people who dare to do work for a living as low-class idiots who do not derserve an ounce of respect.

I'll serve someone if they need it after hours/at the end of the day. Doesn't mean I have to be happy about it or that that person was a selfish idiot for coming in at the last possible minute.

 

[TheLonelySquire]

You also seem to consider people who dare to do work for a living as low-class idiots who do not derserve an ounce of respect.

I'll serve someone if they need it after hours/at the end of the day. Doesn't mean I have to be happy about it or that that person was a selfish idiot for coming in at the last possible minute.

You must have missed the part where I stated repeatedly that no one deserves to be abused. If by "deserve respect" you mean people shouldn't engage in transactions as long as they are in the door before closing then I agree with you. They don't. You seem to be far more worried about your schedule than the schedule of the customer by the way. What if they just got out of work and this is the only time they have to shop?

 

[Tiberius Jim]

You also seem to consider people who dare to do work for a living as low-class idiots who do not derserve an ounce of respect.

I'll serve someone if they need it after hours/at the end of the day. Doesn't mean I have to be happy about it or that that person was a selfish idiot for coming in at the last possible minute.

You must have missed the part where I stated repeatedly that no one deserves to be abused. If by "deserve respect" you mean people shouldn't engage in transactions as long as they are in the door before closing then I agree with you. They don't. You seem to be far more worried about your schedule than the schedule of the customer by the way. What if they just got out of work and this is the only time they have to shop?

So should store's Hours of Operation be "9:00 until...whenever you feel like it" The hours of opersation aren't just a suggestion; they're like an agreement with the customer that says "We will operate between these two times, and this is when you can come do business" Coming in at 5 minutes til closing is fine and within that agreement, but demanding that that agreement be extended to fit your personal schedule is incredibly selfish.

I look at it this way. We close at 8:30. You come in at 5:00...we still close at 8:30. You come in at 8:28 and want to do a 20 minute transaction...now you're forcing us to close at 8:50 whereas had you not come in, we'd still close at 8:30. I don't see why this is a hard concept to grasp.