Spock and Uhura [SPOILERS]

[seniorsleuth]

Speaking of the book v. movie difference, I noticed something that was in both. Now the passage says that McCoy picks up on it although the scene in the movie is even more subtle than that.

It's the part when Spock comes back to the bridge after the choke'aKirk scene, when the A-team is having the office meeting about how to position the ship to attack Nero. Spock agrees with Chekov's assessment. Then he has the line of Romulans and "Vulcans share a common ancestery...Also my mother was human, which makes Earth the only home I have left."

At the begining of that speech he's looking at everyone and when he mentions Earth being his home, his eyes swing completely to the edge of the group and he's speaking directly and only to Uhura.

Le sigh.

Yes I noticed it, but they might have emphasized it tad more with the camera. At that point, he's gotten past some remaining bit of resistance to trying to integrate his human half.

 

[Vicki]

Re: Spock and Uhura

Kind of hard to figure out why that was done, but it blended into the movie okay.

It'll be interesting to see where they take the relationship and Spock's character in general if there is a next movie.

I like Spock & Uhura and I hope we see more of them. In this movie, it serves as a twofer.

It's the fastest way to show how nuSpock is dealing with emotions after choosing to leave Vulcan and go to the Academy.

And, in a movie that has Spock Prime telling Kirk how important their freindship was to both of them, it stomps really hard on the slashers.

 

[Scribe34]

Hey, you guys should read this Uhura/Spock fan fic. It continues the storyline. I'm usually really critical of fan fiction. I don't waste my time if it's crap. But I've gotta admit, this one is pretty damn good.

mucho thanks! that's a great story! I left a happy review

This one is good too - shows Spock Prime's thoughts.

http://www.openscrolls.net/fanfic/story.php?no=4050

An Illogical Woman

 

[seniorsleuth]

Re: Spock and Uhura

Kind of hard to figure out why that was done, but it blended into the movie okay.

It'll be interesting to see where they take the relationship and Spock's character in general if there is a next movie.

I like Spock & Uhura and I hope we see more of them. In this movie, it serves as a twofer.

It's the fastest way to show how nuSpock is dealing with emotions after choosing to leave Vulcan and go to the Academy.

And, in a movie that has Spock Prime telling Kirk how important their freindship was to both of them, it stomps really hard on the slashers.

I'm not sure stomping on slashers is what they had in mind, but I have to agree that there is something about the slash mode of identification that always ends up minimizing female characters' roles, and I'm glad that doesn't seem to be happening here. I'm all for bringing on a real gay relationship between two male characters, as long as it's handled as subtly as Spock/Uhura. And I'm all for Spock/Kirk friendship, too. Both men and women should be able to have close friends without it getting in the way with the romantic friendship/initimacy they have with someone else.

 

[Anticitizen]

Re: Spock and Uhura

I'm all for bringing on a real gay relationship between two male characters, as long as it's handled as subtly as Spock/Uhura.

What, tonguing each other on the transporter pad?

 

[ShimmeringFacet]

Re: Spock and Uhura

I'm all for bringing on a real gay relationship between two male characters, as long as it's handled as subtly as Spock/Uhura.

What, tonguing each other on the transporter pad?

uhh, they weren't tongue kissing.

 

[indranee]

Re: Spock and Uhura

Kind of hard to figure out why that was done, but it blended into the movie okay.

It'll be interesting to see where they take the relationship and Spock's character in general if there is a next movie.

I like Spock & Uhura and I hope we see more of them. In this movie, it serves as a twofer.

It's the fastest way to show how nuSpock is dealing with emotions after choosing to leave Vulcan and go to the Academy.

And, in a movie that has Spock Prime telling Kirk how important their freindship was to both of them, it stomps really hard on the slashers.

I'm not sure stomping on slashers is what they had in mind, but I have to agree that there is something about the slash mode of identification that always ends up minimizing female characters' roles, and I'm glad that doesn't seem to be happening here. I'm all for bringing on a real gay relationship between two male characters, as long as it's handled as subtly as Spock/Uhura. And I'm all for Spock/Kirk friendship, too. Both men and women should be able to have close friends without it getting in the way with the romantic friendship/initimacy they have with someone else.

I don't think K/S slashers can be stomped upon. they've been around a looooooooong time and they'll survive.

 

[Anticitizen]

Re: Spock and Uhura

I'm all for bringing on a real gay relationship between two male characters, as long as it's handled as subtly as Spock/Uhura.

What, tonguing each other on the transporter pad?

uhh, they weren't tongue kissing.

I'm sorry, I should've said "sucking face."

 

[CommanderRaytas]

Re: Spock and Uhura

I like Spock & Uhura and I hope we see more of them. In this movie, it serves as a twofer.

It's the fastest way to show how nuSpock is dealing with emotions after choosing to leave Vulcan and go to the Academy.

And, in a movie that has Spock Prime telling Kirk how important their freindship was to both of them, it stomps really hard on the slashers.

I'm not sure stomping on slashers is what they had in mind, but I have to agree that there is something about the slash mode of identification that always ends up minimizing female characters' roles, and I'm glad that doesn't seem to be happening here. I'm all for bringing on a real gay relationship between two male characters, as long as it's handled as subtly as Spock/Uhura. And I'm all for Spock/Kirk friendship, too. Both men and women should be able to have close friends without it getting in the way with the romantic friendship/initimacy they have with someone else.

I don't think K/S slashers can be stomped upon. they've been around a looooooooong time and they'll survive.

If you need proof, go check Fanfiction.net. It's interesting to say the least.

 

[ShimmeringFacet]

Re: Spock and Uhura

What, tonguing each other on the transporter pad?

uhh, they weren't tongue kissing.

I'm sorry, I should've said "sucking face."

Yes, I guess that's the exaggerated, pejorative term you'd use if the kissing disgusted and offended you.

I find the neutral, accurately descriptive term kissing to be perfectly adequate for my uses, though.

 

[Anticitizen]

It was merely a jab at the previous poster's claim that it was 'subtle'.

 

[seniorsleuth]

Re: Spock and Uhura

What, tonguing each other on the transporter pad?

uhh, they weren't tongue kissing.

I'm sorry, I should've said "sucking face."

Their mouths were completely closed, so there was no sucking or tonguing. It was about as chaste and subtle as it gets. And while I can't speak for others, I wouldn't mind at all if they did exactly this with a gay couple. In fact, I wouldn't mind if they did even more with a gay couple.

 

[Omega_Glory]

It was pretty much a given even before the turbolift scene. In the shuttlebay there was more than just a hint that she and Spock were getting it on.

 

[Nebula1400]

It was pretty much a given even before the turbolift scene. In the shuttlebay there was more than just a hint that she and Spock were getting it on.

It seems so. Spock's demeanor - the body language - the entire time in that scene was different than with anybody else. Zachary Quinto played that well, because Spock seemed genuinely amused, if not pleased, to have her nagging him (very much like my son is with his girlfriend). Plus not once did he contradict her or say anything that wasn't positive about her.

I think we're going to get a Spock who will be even more conflicted about his dual heritage than Spock Prime. There will be the inevitable struggle between his obligation to adhere to the Vulcan way of life to preserve what is left of Vulcan, but his human side will betray him even more as a result of his mother's mother's death, Uhura's companionship, and what he might interpret as permission from both his father and his older self to go with his feelings.

I wish this was a weekly series instead of a once-in-a-blue-moon movie event!

 

[seniorsleuth]

It was pretty much a given even before the turbolift scene. In the shuttlebay there was more than just a hint that she and Spock were getting it on.

It seems so. Spock's demeanor - the body language - the entire time in that scene was different than with anybody else. Zachary Quinto played that well, because Spock seemed genuinely amused, if not pleased, to have her nagging him (very much like my son is with his girlfriend). Plus not once did he contradict her or say anything that wasn't positive about her.

I think we're going to get a Spock who will be even more conflicted about his dual heritage than Spock Prime. There will be the inevitable struggle between his obligation to adhere to the Vulcan way of life to preserve what is left of Vulcan, but his human side will betray him even more as a result of his mother's mother's death, Uhura's companionship, and what he might interpret as permission from both his father and his older self to go with his feelings.

I wish this was a weekly series instead of a once-in-a-blue-moon movie event!

The first time I saw the scene my ears perked up, even though it wasn't certain that the "favoritism" referred to a romance, but could have been an otherwise innocent "teacher's pet" sort of thing. But I did notice Spock's bemusement and thought back to it when the revelation came. Quinto did indeed play the scene well.

Yes, I think this will make Spock's duality different but no less interesting than that of Spock Prime. But, I trust that in honor of his mother, if for no ther reason, he won't turn completely to the Vulcan way for the sake of preserving Vulcan purity and sense of superiority.

 

[Rackon]

are we talking cross-genre? because I am.

I think you are calling "covers" of Shakespeare as sequels. They are not the same. Most of Shakespeare's plays ended and there was no room for sequels. Plus they are so good nobody would want to foool with them anyhow. TOS was episodic in nature - not a continuous saga that built on what had happened in each previous episode. There was SOME, but not much. Characters continued, grew a little but each week was a new adventure.

no, I am not talking of "covers". and yes, it's apples and oranges.

having said that, in terms of a capacity for expansion? his plays left plenty of room. not for improvement, mind you, but for expansion. the fact that not many have been attempted is due to the very timorous response much of the Western literary world has exhibited at the prospect of "true" sequels.

Agreed.

The British playwright Tom Stoppard indeed gave us the most interesting "Hamlet" derived play/film Rosencrantz and GUildenstern Are Dead.

 

[Rackon]

It was pretty much a given even before the turbolift scene. In the shuttlebay there was more than just a hint that she and Spock were getting it on.

It seems so. Spock's demeanor - the body language - the entire time in that scene was different than with anybody else. Zachary Quinto played that well, because Spock seemed genuinely amused, if not pleased, to have her nagging him (very much like my son is with his girlfriend). Plus not once did he contradict her or say anything that wasn't positive about her.

I think we're going to get a Spock who will be even more conflicted about his dual heritage than Spock Prime. There will be the inevitable struggle between his obligation to adhere to the Vulcan way of life to preserve what is left of Vulcan, but his human side will betray him even more as a result of his mother's mother's death, Uhura's companionship, and what he might interpret as permission from both his father and his older self to go with his feelings.

I wish this was a weekly series instead of a once-in-a-blue-moon movie event!

The first time I saw the scene my ears perked up, even though it wasn't certain that the "favoritism" referred to a romance, but could have been an otherwise innocent "teacher's pet" sort of thing. But I did notice Spock's bemusement and thought back to it when the revelation came. Quinto did indeed play the scene well.

Yes, I think this will make Spock's duality different but no less interesting than that of Spock Prime. But, I trust that in honor of his mother, if for no ther reason, he won't turn completely to the Vulcan way for the sake of preserving Vulcan purity and sense of superiority.

That shuttle bay scene was an "aha!" moment for me as well. Having avoided almost all spoilers, I was completely innocent of the romance before seeing XI. The actors, especially Quinto, played it beautifully, plus the dialog about Spock's not wishing to show favoritism is a dead give-away. Not even NuSpock would be worried about the appearance of favoritism regarding a favored student. But someone with whom he had an intimate relationship? Whole 'nother thing. So I assumed that there was something more than a teacher's pet relationship going on from that point forward.
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[indranee]

I think you are calling "covers" of Shakespeare as sequels. They are not the same. Most of Shakespeare's plays ended and there was no room for sequels. Plus they are so good nobody would want to foool with them anyhow. TOS was episodic in nature - not a continuous saga that built on what had happened in each previous episode. There was SOME, but not much. Characters continued, grew a little but each week was a new adventure.

no, I am not talking of "covers". and yes, it's apples and oranges.

having said that, in terms of a capacity for expansion? his plays left plenty of room. not for improvement, mind you, but for expansion. the fact that not many have been attempted is due to the very timorous response much of the Western literary world has exhibited at the prospect of "true" sequels.

Agreed.

The British playwright Tom Stoppard indeed gave us the most interesting "Hamlet" derived play/film Rosencrantz and GUildenstern Are Dead.

yep. I've loved that play for a long time. the movie (directed by Stoppard, as well, I think) was excellent. though I'd take the play over a movie any day.

 

[indranee]

It seems so. Spock's demeanor - the body language - the entire time in that scene was different than with anybody else. Zachary Quinto played that well, because Spock seemed genuinely amused, if not pleased, to have her nagging him (very much like my son is with his girlfriend). Plus not once did he contradict her or say anything that wasn't positive about her.

I think we're going to get a Spock who will be even more conflicted about his dual heritage than Spock Prime. There will be the inevitable struggle between his obligation to adhere to the Vulcan way of life to preserve what is left of Vulcan, but his human side will betray him even more as a result of his mother's mother's death, Uhura's companionship, and what he might interpret as permission from both his father and his older self to go with his feelings.

I wish this was a weekly series instead of a once-in-a-blue-moon movie event!

The first time I saw the scene my ears perked up, even though it wasn't certain that the "favoritism" referred to a romance, but could have been an otherwise innocent "teacher's pet" sort of thing. But I did notice Spock's bemusement and thought back to it when the revelation came. Quinto did indeed play the scene well.

Yes, I think this will make Spock's duality different but no less interesting than that of Spock Prime. But, I trust that in honor of his mother, if for no ther reason, he won't turn completely to the Vulcan way for the sake of preserving Vulcan purity and sense of superiority.

That shuttle bay scene was an "aha!" moment for me as well. Having avoided almost all spoilers, I was completely innocent of the romance before seeing XI. The actors, especially Quinto, played it beautifully, plus the dialog about Spock's not wishing to show favoritism is a dead give-away. Not even NuSpock would be worried about the appearance of favoritism regarding a favored student. But someone with whom he had an intimate relationship? Whole 'nother thing. So I assumed that there was something more than a teacher's pet relationship going on from that point forward.
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to me, the biggest "giveaway" was Quinto's quick "look-around" before saying that line "favoritism". it was almost a furtive look... almost as if he was afraid somebody might hear him/them. it was a look that tipped me right away. however, I did know about the romance before I watched the movie the first time. just didn't know how far it was going to go.

the more I watch this movie, the more I realize what a find Quinto is for the character. he is a great Sylar, but he totally kills as Spock.

 

[Jeri]

Amen, sista, amen.