Me too. First Contact is a steaming pile of crap
What is the Worst Trek Film?
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TMP- it's a great Trek story- it's mostly well acted and the effects are awesome but the pace is very trying on ones patience, the uniforms and sets are drab and it feels so stale and sterile I feel like i've spent 5 hours staring at a hospital wall.
the others have failings this one has missed oppurtunity written all over it.
(having said this I much prefer the directors cut but I was taking the poll from a theatrical release view)
the others have failings this one has missed oppurtunity written all over it.
(having said this I much prefer the directors cut but I was taking the poll from a theatrical release view)
me neither!
Final Frontier
If we have to find a reason why Nemesis sucks more than The Final Frontier, I'll say that at least TFF tried to have an original idea and really tried to go where no man had gone before (no pun intended!). It just wasn't good. And it was after The Voyage Home (high expectations were set) and before The Undiscovered Country (excusing it a little bit).
Nemesis could have been good (go read the other thread about how we would redo it). That's what's pissing off a lot of people. They edited out a number of really relevant scene that would have made a lot of differences and filled it with cheap-ass ripoff elements of Wrath of Khan. And to top it, it followed Insurection which was not the best so we needed something really good and it really wasn't. Yes, it wasn't a bad movie, but it definitely is the worst Trek movie.
Nemesis could have been good (go read the other thread about how we would redo it). That's what's pissing off a lot of people. They edited out a number of really relevant scene that would have made a lot of differences and filled it with cheap-ass ripoff elements of Wrath of Khan. And to top it, it followed Insurection which was not the best so we needed something really good and it really wasn't. Yes, it wasn't a bad movie, but it definitely is the worst Trek movie.
I hate to get tautological, but they can because TFF shows us that they can. Sybok is clearly providing illusions--broadcasting them to an audience, no less--during McCoy and Spock's therapy sessions. Interestingly, they don't seem to be brainwashed, so I'll count that as evidence against my theory.
But anyway, TOS and the films have perhaps even more extreme uses of Vulcan telepathic talent. In What are Little Girls Made Of, Spock uses his abilities to make Kirk forget his robustly unbelievable love for Flint's sexbot. In TWOK and TSFS, Spock came back from the dead by uploading his soul into McCoy's noggin! With this in the background, is it totally off-the-wall that Sybok can brainwash puny humans with experiences of great pain relieved by great joy?
I admit this is a bit reaching. But he did know where Sha Ka Ree was, out of the 10,000LY*4/3*pi*r^3 volume of the center of the galaxy. It's much easier to assume that Sybok had been told what was there by God as it is that he guessed. I'll grant that this, along with how they managed Warp 1000 to get there, should have been much better explained in the film.
Well, we can infer that it was mind control because Chekov, Uhura, Sulu and the rest were forgiven. As you say--if it wasn't, they'd have been tried for mutiny! But there Chekov is, freaking out over vaporized moon boots, and Uhura's bungling Klingon, and and Sulu's dropping teacups all over his own ship.
Agree, however I wouldn't place Nemisis at best, but a good 3rd or 4th
Guys, I don't think your opinions will be taken seriously if you can't even spell it right. It's Nemesis.
It'll be updated in a new poll of the same question someday, I'm sure. In the meantime, I hope people will stop asking that question. It's been asked and answered several times now.
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