How can one romulan mining ship destroy the federation armada?

[SonicRanger]

I can't believe we've got another thread on this issue because it's common sense. My sig was made for moments like these.

What? The most straight forward explanation regarding the Narada on why it looks so different compared to ANY ship we've seen in Star Trek, Romulan or otherwise, is explained in Star Trek Countdown. It was modified with Romulan Influenced Borg technology that for all intents and purposes turned the ship into a massive mesh of parts that have no clear design guidance.

It looks similar to the Romulan drone ships in ENT:

http://ent.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/4x14/aenar_300.jpg
http://ent.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/4x14/aenar_301.jpg
http://ent.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/4x14/aenar_446.jpg

No Borg tech necessary.

 

[RobertScorpio]

Seriously, can someone attempt to explain this one to me? I am having a really hard time with this one. Was there anything *in the film* to explain this? I know what they said in Countdown, but it is a big stretch...

These are ROMULANS. I could see them having armed mining ships..i bet the Klingons do too. Totally in character..

But more importantly? Another small, and I mean very small, point that I am sure JJ, rightfully so, didn't think was all that important. Good for him.

Rob

 

[JoeZhang]

Got to laugh at the people saying Countdown doesn't count.

Like the writers of that comic?

 

[Jeyl]

It looks similar to the Romulan drone ships in ENT

Which were actually the same model as one of the derelict ships seen in Voyager.

 

[SonicRanger]

It looks similar to the Romulan drone ships in ENT

Which were actually the same model as one of the derelict ships seen in Voyager.

Which was clearly an old Romulan ship pulled into Chaotic space.

 

[Jeyl]

DP. Sorry!

 

[Jeyl]

Got to laugh at the people saying Countdown doesn't count.

Like the writers of that comic?

The writers of the comic actually had this to say when asked if they believe their work should be counted as canon.

Mike Johnson: "Well I do, I think it is important that the writer does. The writer has to think that what they are doing is part of what has come before and what is to come."

If your going to give the guys a thumbs up to create this story line and not have a banner that says "This story doesn't actually happen", you should rethink your strategy because this is the stuff that brings in the money, and no one likes it when you say that the stuff they bought doesn't count.

 

[Basil]

Lots of WWII cruisers became very effective and powerful aircraft carriers after a refit.

RAMA

Yes, after a refit. There's nothing to suggest the Narada was repurposed as a warship. Even Nero's dialogue suggests this.

 

[Jeri]

These are ROMULANS. I could see them having armed mining ships..i bet the Klingons do too. Totally in character..
Rob

Everybody would need their mining ships armed to some degree. In ENT, the boomers had some armaments. Spanish treasure was guarded by armadas at sea. Even Yosemite Sam would keep a gun to protect his claim.

 

[RobertScorpio]

These are ROMULANS. I could see them having armed mining ships..i bet the Klingons do too. Totally in character..
Rob

Everybody would need their mining ships armed to some degree. In ENT, the boomers had some armaments. Spanish treasure was guarded by armadas at sea. Even Yosemite Sam would keep a gun to protect his claim.

LOL...so true!

Rob

 

[RAMA]

Lots of WWII cruisers became very effective and powerful aircraft carriers after a refit.

RAMA

Yes, after a refit. There's nothing to suggest the Narada was repurposed as a warship. Even Nero's dialogue suggests this.

In Countdown it does. I posted it. The story is by Bob Orci.

RAMA

 

[RAMA]

Seriously, can someone attempt to explain this one to me? I am having a really hard time with this one. Was there anything *in the film* to explain this? I know what they said in Countdown, but it is a big stretch...

Borg tech:http://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-Countdown-1-ebook/dp/B001VMAYAC

(emphasis mine)

In your eagerness to lay some smug on the OP, I suspect you have overlooked some important elements of his post. I'll convert your off-topic images to links to make them less intrusive, 'K?

If he read it, then it was a stupid question wasn't it? The fact he said "it was a big stretch.." opens itself up to the fact that there is several pages of explanation on this point (not just what I posted...which btw was smaller than 600x800 and NOT a page stretcher) IN the comic book.

In terms of the movie, its not really necessary to know why its so powerful, it just is. The avg moviegoer isn't going to care.

RAMA

 

[BorgPhil]

what I'd like to know is if the Narada had a cloaking device, it did in Countdown, but no sign in the film - maybe in the deleted scenes?

 

[Trekker4747]

Seriously, can someone attempt to explain this one to me? I am having a really hard time with this one. Was there anything *in the film* to explain this? I know what they said in Countdown, but it is a big stretch...

Besides the fact that the ship was from 100+ years in the future and used technology indicative of that time probably further helped by any Federation technology secrets the Romulans have of "this" era?

Nope. No explanation at all on how Nero's ship wiped the floor with the starfleet.

 

[Basil]

Lots of WWII cruisers became very effective and powerful aircraft carriers after a refit.

RAMA

Yes, after a refit. There's nothing to suggest the Narada was repurposed as a warship. Even Nero's dialogue suggests this.

In Countdown it does. I posted it. The story is by Bob Orci.

RAMA

Just going off of what's on screen.

 

[James Bond]

Remember - the E went in with shields up - all the other ships thought they were just coming in on a rescue mission. They may not have had time to fire so much as a shot - they were fish in a barrel.

Apart from the blatantly obvious Sulu's little faux pas had another effect.

By the time the Enterprise arrived, Nero thought he'd probably wiped the fleet out (the other ships would have all arrived at more or less the same time) and not expecting another ship to show up 2 minuters later.

Also the debris from the other ships probably hid the the big-E's arrival.

It actually looked like the Narada had sustained some damage from the fleet. In the scene where a crew member tells Nero that the Enterprise is coming out of warp, there is a lot of shaking on board the Narada as if Starfleet had managed to at least get some shots off.

 

[James Bond]

Seriously, can someone attempt to explain this one to me? I am having a really hard time with this one. Was there anything *in the film* to explain this? I know what they said in Countdown, but it is a big stretch...

I could be wrong, but I guess the Narada being from 200 years in the fictional future and it all being a movie are primarily the reasons for its superior strength. But don't quote me on that.

It's hard to believe, I guess, that a small group of angry men, intent on causing pain and suffering, driven by revenge, could do such a thing. The idea that several angry men from far away could use a vehicle , intended for innocent and peaceful purposes, and use this seemingly harmless vehicle to cause great destruction seems implausible, but it happens!

Isn't it all the more possible that if these angry men came from the future, with more advanced technology, they would be able to cause even more destruction?

Possible, but consider this. I don't come to Trek BBS for logic. I come to Trek BBS to rant and go on like an irrational idiot. Consider the implications of that.

So you admit to being a troll?

 

[The Wormhole]

It's hard to believe, I guess, that a small group of angry men, intent on causing pain and suffering, driven by revenge, could do such a thing. The idea that several angry men from far away could use a vehicle , intended for innocent and peaceful purposes, and use this seemingly harmless vehicle to cause great destruction seems implausible, but it happens!

Isn't it all the more possible that if these angry men came from the future, with more advanced technology, they would be able to cause even more destruction?

Possible, but consider this. I don't come to Trek BBS for logic. I come to Trek BBS to rant and go on like an irrational idiot. Consider the implications of that.

So you admit to being a troll?

I admit only to provoking people for my own amusement. And to living under a bridge.