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Star Trek made more money under one month than...

For some reason I thought that the OP was going to say more money than "the complete DVD sales of Enterprise".

Although all movies should honestly be mesured in Howards. The final world receits on Howard the Duck, which means currently Star trek is mesuring itself at a healthy 7.94 howards, and it's more than likely that it will crack 8 howards in the next couple hours.
 
You forgot to adjust for inflation. Converting 2008 money into 1986 money or vice versa gives us a Howard rating of 4.097
 
And remember American Idol is better than all science fiction shows that have ever aired except maybe the premiere of Battlestar Galactica in 1978.
 
Whether you love it or hare it, how much money a film makes doesn't equal its quality
Oh yes it does, at least in Star Trek's case as Temis pointed out. It was more fun than any of those movies combined.

I haven't seen the other two, but I'd say Star Trek 09 was more fun than Serenity simply because it was more of a fun sort of movie. In terms of script and acting quality, not all that much difference.
Nobody cared about Serenity except butthurt Browncoats. Everyone I know went to see the Star Trek movie and 99% of them loved it. Some of them didn't even like Iron Man or TDK, but they went for seconds and even thirds for ST. :techman:
 
Whether you love it or hare it, how much money a film makes doesn't equal its quality
Oh yes it does
Right, so you believe Titanic is the greatest movie of all time? You squarely, firmly believe that?
Because by defintion that is what you're saying
Titanic had something that other movies didn't - repeat quality. At least for millions and millions of teenage girls and young women.
 
I haven't seen the other two, but I'd say Star Trek 09 was more fun than Serenity simply because it was more of a fun sort of movie. In terms of script and acting quality, not all that much difference.

The irony is that despite ostensibly being a direct continuation of Firefly rather than a reboot, Serenity managed to avoid masturbating the existing fanbase at the expense of the film in the way that Star Trek did.
 
Nobody cared about Serenity except Browncoats.

True, that's how it turned out. That doesn't mean others wouldn't have liked it if they'd gone, merely that the advertising and brand name weren't there.

Which was always the problem with Firefly. It wass pretty much the most original thing this decade, and it has massive appeal....after you watch it. Success, unfortunately, requires appeal beforehand as well.

(Experience has shown that "has watched Firefly" != "is Browncoat" in general. However, it's true often enough, and the other cases are just a mystery of the universe.)

The whole situation was extremely unfortunate as far as genre quality on the whole goes. I'm glad Trek isn't repeating that scenario.

Also would have helped if Serenity (the movie) had been as good as the series. It was up there, but....not quite.
 
I hate box office dick waving.

I loved the new Trek film and am thrilled to death that it has been so successful... but success alone doesn't automatically make the film better than any other film.

Have we become incapable of making our own judgments of a film's quality?
 
I hate box office dick waving.

I loved the new Trek film and am thrilled to death that it has been so successful... but success alone doesn't automatically make the film better than any other film.

Have we become incapable of making our own judgments of a film's quality?
That's not what I am saying here. :borg:
 
Right, so you believe Titanic is the greatest movie of all time? You squarely, firmly believe that?
Because by defintion that is what you're saying

In this case, the quality of the film is helping. Star Trek's box office is being helped by strong word of mouth. People are telling their friends to go see it.

And by people I don't mean obsessives who insist the movie is bad because of some ridiculous canon violation (usually based more on fanon than anything else and also rendered utterly irrelevant by the movie itself) they insist still matters.
 
last person to tell e that titanic was the greatest movie ever made because of the powerfulness of the raw emotions was a 15year old girl 3 weeks after it first aired.

I concluded she was retarded, but now that the test of time has tried to rode the bugger to a nub, I'd have to maybe agree that it might be quite good after all.
 
Count me among one of those who didn't get into Firefly until the thing was wrapped up. From the previews it looked like pseudo-sci fi possibly written by non-SF writers. It looked like Dawson's Creek in Space. I don't know. One of them teen-angel angst shows.

For me, it was a marketing breakdown. Because once I tuned in - I was hooked. For the life of me I can't understand why such a series would only survive one season. Yet another of the thousands of reasons why I am so not on the pulse of what the viewing public wants.
 
And remember American Idol is better than all science fiction shows that have ever aired except maybe the premiere of Battlestar Galactica in 1978.

That may well be true, no matter how much we try to deny it.

It all depends on how you define "better."

If by "better," you mean, "more entertaining for more people," then, yes: American Idol really is better than all SF shows combined, as you say.

Similarly, by that definition of "better," Titanic is indeed probably the best movie of all time.

If what's good is what's entertaining, then it follows that what's more entertaining is better, and what's most entertaining is best.

The fact that you and I don't find American idol and Titanic all that entertaining doesn't prove anything. You can't please all the people all the time.

As Mickey Spillane once said: "If the public likes you, you're good."

That may or may not be true. But it's a reasonable position. If anybody wants to argue the opposite, I would say the burden of proof rests with them.
 
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