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When did each of the series "peak"?

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By "Peaking" I mean reaching heights that were never reached again even if some of the episodes that followed were quite good.

These would be my choices:

TNG: "The Best of Both Worlds" (possibly including "Family"). This was a monumental two-parter. The drama, the action, the suspense, the character work were all top notch. While there were still many excelent episodes, none matched this one.

Honourable mention to "Redemption" as the culmination of a two season plotline, something that would never happen again in TNG, and showing that a Star Trek show like Deep Space Nine could be possible.

And Chain of Command, possibly the only two-parter that ever got close to "The Best of Both Worlds".


VOY: "Scorpion". Like TNG before it, this Season 3 Borg cliffhander proved to be extremely popular and a major turning point for the show. A new character was introduced, the Borg were still an intimidating presence and the mere thought of a species more powerfull than them was fear inducing.

Honourable mention to "Basics" as the culmination of a two season plotline, something that would never happen again in VOY and showing that a Star Trek show like Deep Space Nine...was the way to go? =P

Possibly "Equinox" or "Dark Frontier" too. These two episodes were quite good and important, though the Borg were never the same after "Dark Frontier" and "Equinox" showed how Voyager could have, and perhaps should have, been...


DS9: Somewhat hard to choose a specific episode so I will nominate the "Dominion Ocuppation Arc" from "A Call to Arms" to "Sacrifice of Angels".
The momment that viewers had been waiting finally happened. It was an event that had been building up since at least the Second Season or even "Emissary". As Dukat put it: "I've been waiting for this moment for 5 years!". And in an unprecedent move things weren't quickly resolved in the season opener. What followed was some of the most epic, exciting and dramatic momments in Star Trek, without forgetting the character work.

Honourable mention to the "Final 10" arc, which almost managed to reach the heights of the previous arc.


ENT: The Azati Prime/Damage two-parter, though nominating all episodes from "Azati Prime" to "Zero Hour" would probably make more sense. The culmination of a season long storyline full of tension, drama and action. The ship totally in disrepair, Archer sacrificing his moral integrity, T'Pol dealing with adiction and a ticking clock that just wouldn't stop left me glued to the screen during those episodes.
Season 4 was quite good but nothing in it matched this.

Honourable mention to the "Vulcan Trilogy". Certanly the best thing in Season 4 and quite a nice piece of Star Trek.


TOS: I don't really think one could say TOS ever "peaked" with the meaning the expression has in this thread, since there were no event episodes or major shake ups. However if one were to include the movies (to my they are an integral part of TOS unlike the TNG ones) "The Wrath of Khan" would probably be my choice. With "The Search for Spock" as the honourable mention.
 
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Re: When did each of the series "Jumped the Shark"?

No offense to your picks or logic, because they're all great, but doesn't jumping the shark refer to the first truly "What the fuck was that?" moment to lead the way to the overall decline in the series?
 
Re: When did each of the series "Jumped the Shark"?

Indeed, that's the common use of the expression.

However, since the term essentially refers to a point after which the show wasn't the same, with the following episodes never reaching previous heights, I though it could be applied here.

Though I guess "Peaked" would have been a better term. Perhaps a mod could change the title.
 
Re: When did each of the series "Jumped the Shark"?

DS9 is easy for "what the fuck is this shit" Shark jump - it was definitely when Dukat became a comic book villain and a Bajoran to boot.
 
Re: When did each of the series "Jumped the Shark"?

DS9 is easy for "what the fuck is this shit" Shark jump - it was definitely when Dukat became a comic book villain and a Bajoran to boot.
I'll strongly second that.

For TOS, it's easy - "Spock's Brain".

For TNG, it would have to be either "The Naked Now" or "Skin of Evil".

For Voyager, it was "Threshhold".

For Enterprise, it was "Unexpected".

The odd (and good) thing is that each series still managed to turn out good episodes - even some of the best - after each of these abominations.
 
Indeed, that's the common use of the expression.

However, since the term essentially refers to a point after which the show wasn't the same, with the following episodes never reaching previous heights, I though it could be applied here.

Though I guess "Peaked" would have been a better term. Perhaps a mod could change the title.
Title changed. :)
 
Re: When did each of the series "Jumped the Shark"?

The odd (and good) thing is that each series still managed to turn out good episodes - even some of the best - after each of these abominations.

I'm pretty sure many TV shows (Trek included) have "jumped the shark" several times in their lifespans. That's just the nature of having long-running shows. The term doesn't necessarily mean that it's the death knell of a show, despite implying as much.
 
TNG: The Best of Both Worlds which propelled the show with three more great seasons

DS9: Call to Arms which was the episode that finally stopped tinkering around with the Dominion and went to war which paved the way for the two greatest stories ever done on DS9 or Trek--the Occupation arc and the Final Chapter.

VOY: Scorpion. It was a necessary episode that made up for the wreck that was season three and was the first time since the pilot that I had hopes for VOY.

ENT: The final six episode arc of season three.
 
IMO, I believe Enterprise peaked at Season One.

Not so much the "suspense" or "action", sure it didn't have the epic story lines that made Seasons Three and Four, but Season One always maintained a level of ignorance. Ignorance to Trek itself. Exploring strange new worlds was fun and exciting. Watching all the new "State-of-the-Art" technology used for the first time.
 
Peaking is a confusing phrase, are we talking about a time or episode which was the best that had ever been offered and what came after it would never be as good as what came before? Because in that case, its very confusing.
I find it easier just to say which season of each I thought was best

TNG - season 5
DS9 - season 4? (Very difficult!)
VOY - season 5
ENT - season 4

4/5 is definitely the lucky number for me.
 
Jump the Shark

While a shows "prime" or "peak" is a plateau-like period and not really a moment of major decline.
That is Jumping the Shark.

the old Jump the Shark die hard fans have launched a new verision of everything that was good about the old site and its called
http://www.bonethefish.com/
thanks Mutara Nebula 1967 ...

I'm not as die hard Trek fan as some of you so I can't name a definitive episode.
I think a proper poll for each Trek series is in order by episode title not season.
One poll per series. Give a list of 10 episodes per series of potentials Jump the Shark episodes.
And one poll for all the Trek feature films...


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The Borg kids on Voyager
 
For "Star Trek", I'd say it peaked at "The Trouble with Tribbles" and "Journey to Babel"...I think those were the last truly great episodes that showed the series realizing its full potential for comedic and dramatic brilliance. There were good episodes after, but I don't think any ever reached the level of quality of either.

For "Star Trek: The Next Generation", I agree with many who believe "The Best of Both Worlds" showed the series reaching its greatest heights in terms of dramatic impact, but in a totally different way I think "The Inner Light" is just as powerful, epic, and classic. I believe both of these episodes showed off more than any others how much more mature and evolved the show was than the original Star Trek and featured some of the most emotionally involving writing in any series of Star Trek.

I haven't finished watching "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine" yet, but as I go through season 7, I think it's safe to say that nothing will ever top "Trials and Tribble-Ations" in my view. The show had a lot of kinks to work out in the characterizations and writing in the early seasons, and this is the episode where I believe it became clear that the creative team was firing on all cylinders, confidently in control of all the important elements of the show as they showed the full extent of their creative powers in terms of superlative production design, snappy and delightful, yet natural dialogue, and smooth, accessible, clever storytelling.

Since the episode is a masterpiece of comedy, I guess for a heavily dramatic show it's not the best reflection of the show doing what it does best. I'd bestow that honour upon the finale of season 5. The Dominion taking over Deep Space Nine was a rivetingly audacious development and filled me with more awe for the events leading into a cliffhanger and anticipation for how it may be resolved in the forthcoming season than any finale's story since "The Best of Both Worlds". I liked the arc that opened season six a lot, but like "The Best of Both Worlds Part 2", I didn't think it equalled the amazingness of what set it up, so I believe the series has never quite captured the same intensely engaging vibe it did at the end of season 5 in subsequent episodes (there have been some close calls, though).

I haven't seen enough of Voyager to offer an opinion on its peak, but at the risk of sounding presumptuous, I've got to say even though I've only seen three episodes of Enterprise, there's no way that show ever did anything as magnificent as "In A Mirror, Darkly" before or after. :)
 
Re: When did each of the series "Jumped the Shark"?

DS9 is easy for "what the fuck is this shit" Shark jump - it was definitely when Dukat became a comic book villain and a Bajoran to boot.
I'll strongly second that.

For TOS, it's easy - "Spock's Brain".

For TNG, it would have to be either "The Naked Now" or "Skin of Evil".

For Voyager, it was "Threshhold".

For Enterprise, it was "Unexpected".

The odd (and good) thing is that each series still managed to turn out good episodes - even some of the best - after each of these abominations.

A bad episode does not necessarily constitute a "jump the shark" moment, to say TNG lost it after the first season is ridiculous.
 
Re: When did each of the series "Jumped the Shark"?

A bad episode does not necessarily constitute a "jump the shark" moment, to say TNG lost it after the first season is ridiculous.
Given the entire contents of this thread, I hardly think lecturing me on the meaning of "jump the shark" is properly directed. ;)
 
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VOY: Scorpion. It was a necessary episode that made up for the wreck that was season three and was the first time since the pilot that I had hopes for VOY.

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Agreed Scorpion was the best of Voyager..
 
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