Size Of The New Enterprise (large images)
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So the Enterprise changing sizes is canon!
Wait - the Enterprise is actually a conglomeration of Changelings!
Just for fun, I put together this comparison between the NuEnterpise & Kelvin. I made the docking ports the same relative size between the two.
I did a guesstimate of 7ft, based on the closeup shot of the Kelvin in the opening sequence.
Based on that ratio, the NuE got even smaller now - 1385ft! - Which may have been the original intention.
(Though I think 1500ft is a good compromise)
No matter how you scale it, this looks to be a good relative size between the two ships.
I did a guesstimate of 7ft, based on the closeup shot of the Kelvin in the opening sequence.
Based on that ratio, the NuE got even smaller now - 1385ft! - Which may have been the original intention.
(Though I think 1500ft is a good compromise)
No matter how you scale it, this looks to be a good relative size between the two ships.
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Damn, I had that whole graduating thing to deal with the last two weeks, so I didn't have much time online. Seems I've got some catching up to do.. I want to thank everybody for the comments on my little analysis and Rick Sternbach for actually taking the time to get over here. 
Now it seems I'll have some reading to do. Does anybody know if there's been any word of Church yet about the dimensions?
Now it seems I'll have some reading to do. Does anybody know if there's been any word of Church yet about the dimensions?
I doubt he's any kind of authority on the subject; ILM did the bulk of the work fleshing out the design in 3D based on his paintings. There's an article in this month's Computer Graphics World about Trek XI's effects, and the ILM guys interviewed said that they were changing and refining the hsip's design based on how it looked in the various shots. It seems like they didn't peg the final design until after a lot of work that deviated from the initial reference they were given.
Just for fun, I put together this comparison between the NuEnterpise & Kelvin. I made the docking ports the same relative size between the two.
I did a guesstimate of 7ft, based on the closeup shot of the Kelvin in the opening sequence.
Based on that ratio, the NuE got even smaller now - 1385ft!
(Though I think 1500ft is a good compromise)
No matter how you scale it, this looks to be a good relative size between the two ships.
Isn't there an official size of the Kelvin?
How about a comparison of the official size of both the Enterprise and the Kelvin?
Just for fun, I put together this comparison between the NuEnterpise & Kelvin. I made the docking ports the same relative size between the two.
I did a guesstimate of 7ft, based on the closeup shot of the Kelvin in the opening sequence.
Based on that ratio, the NuE got even smaller now - 1385ft!
(Though I think 1500ft is a good compromise)
No matter how you scale it, this looks to be a good relative size between the two ships.
Well,that doesn't mean they have anything in common.The Kelvin is at least 20 odd years older than the Enterprise-chances are in that time some details will have changed.Assuming the airlocks are the same between the ships is like assuming the deflectors are the same:there's no objective reference available until JJ puts a shot of the enterprise next to a giant ruler in the DVD release. A 700 meter Enterprise is fine with me,since the scale matches what's on film.The only reason this debate exists is because it looks so similar to TOS Kirks Enterprise.If ILM/Producers say the ship is 700 meters,its 700 meters.I'm content to leave it at that.
No it's not. Those hatches have a specific function which dictates a specific size. If you change the size of the deflector dish, nothing else changes. If you change the size of the airlock, suddenly all the docking ports on spacestations and shuttlecraft are useless. In fact, personnel hatches like that are probably the one thing you can guarantee will always be interchangeable on starfleet ships, because it'd be too much trouble to change them, and there's no possible reason to do so.
They patterned the airlocks on the NX-01 after the ones currently in use on the ISS.
Just for fun, I put together this comparison between the NuEnterpise & Kelvin. I made the docking ports the same relative size between the two.
I did a guesstimate of 7ft, based on the closeup shot of the Kelvin in the opening sequence.
Based on that ratio, the NuE got even smaller now - 1385ft! - Which may have been the original intention.
(Though I think 1500ft is a good compromise)
No matter how you scale it, this looks to be a good relative size between the two ships.
And that's why I like this thread so much!!!
Because it has so many beautiful images of these two great starships!!!
Never mind any size issues - I love looking at all the updates and images!!!
The airlock argument is pretty good... or highly problematic, if you are an ILM guy.
Of course they can just say, "Screw that, Starfleet has fifteen different types of airlocks."
Of course they can just say, "Screw that, Starfleet has fifteen different types of airlocks."
Consider-the docking ports used on Apollo spacecraft are not the same as ones used on the ISS or space shuttle.Seeing also as Starfleet doesn't use money to determine resource allocation,expense is no longer a barrier to upgrading technology.Eventually as ships grow you'll need bigger entrances on them.I'd imagine starfleet would use several standards and sizes for docks,similar to the various sized USB types we use today.It would be foolish to assume the dock ring on a shuttle is the same size as one on a starship.
ILM said the ship is 700 meters.Leave it at that.It is possible for the Abrams Enterprise to be larger than the Soverign class. ;-)
That would've made an interesting button on the TMP drydock sequence.
"Shit! I thought I took the pod fitted with the '72 airlock! Sorry, Admiral, we'll have to go back and take a compatible one over."
Yes, but there's no crossover. There weren't still Apollo capsules flying when the shuttle or ISS were put into operation.
So, they'll just toss out or refit all the old ships, shuttles, and docks because someone didn't like having only two feet of clearance over their heads when they walked in through a personnel hatch? It's not like every member of Starfleet is suddenly going to grow to an average hight of fifteen feet.
I don't know if anyone had put this link in or if it works? But they tell you the size of the Enterprise.
http://features.cgsociety.org/story_custom.php?story_id=5071
http://features.cgsociety.org/story_custom.php?story_id=5071
I could see airlocks changing over the years- adaptive connectors which are downwards compatible. I always wondered about the NX's saucer docking- they always seemed to be able to connect with Alien vessels they had never met before.
The docking hatch on the Shuttle & ISS will be the standard uniform design for years, and decades to come. The new Orion capsule, and lunar lander will have the same hatch as well.
Even the private sector spacecraft that are under developed are being required to use this design & configuration: Example
Once you have a good reliable design that is uniform, there's no logical reason to change it.
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