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I said I'm respectful to women... I said nothing about not continuing to ogle them.
Oh, and she was a Starfleet cadet. Slave girl? I don't think so...
Well. She'd be MY slave.
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Chivalry: It's dead, Jim.
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Well. She'd be MY slave.
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She was great. Her line implying that Kirk was merely one many men she'd had over allowed the scene to pay homage to Kirk's aggressive sexuality without portraying her, as was so often the case in TOS, as merely the passive recipient of his desire, but rather as an autonomous woman embracing her sexuality. In a film so tightly bound by the strictures of TOS, including a dearth of female characters, it was a surprisingly subtle gesture. Kirk's reaction was hilarious too.
Do you have any idea how offensively patronizing and infantilizing it is to imply that in the modern world women need providers and protectors? Yes, at one point they did, because they were not permitted to provide for and protect themselves. That's why, to women who aren't looking for someone to provide for and protect them, antiquated traditions like the ones you cite come across as condescending and a bit offensive.
So, I might be a bit cynical and I'm cool with that, but this would be fucking appalling to me, and I think to most women I know. The last thing I'm looking for as I'm trying to mind my own business and get to work or anywhere is to be hit on or chatted up.
In the situations you've cited, i.e. standing on a bus, sitting in a chair, getting into a car, yes, the difference between men and women is precisely as germane as the difference between someone wearing a hat and someone going bare-headed.
Or, they just don't think receiving the same treatment as old people or children is a good thing.
Too many times, people only give up their seats - or do anything at all that could be considered chivalrous - to feed their own egos. That's the source of a lot of so-called 'chivalry', I think. Not saying that everybody does this, but it is a factor.
Wow, did this thread just get napalmed or what?
"It smells like...chivalry."
Agent Orange never looked so good.
"Some day this thread's gonna end."
^^ Hey! I post and read TNZ (after taking a vacation for a couple of months recently). That's actually what many people are here for.
True.
I'm not knocking it as a leisure activity.
Only pointing out that I enjoy the extra-comfy ringside seats and the high-quality popcorn available here.
the popcorn needs to be refilled..
this is starting to remind me of the old 60 minutes point counterpoint with shana alexander and kilpatrick that ackroyd and curtain went after in the "jane you ignorant slut sketch"
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I said I'm respectful to women... I said nothing about not continuing to ogle them.
Oh, and she was a Starfleet cadet. Slave girl? I don't think so...
Well. She'd MY slave.
Not unless you gave up your seat on the shuttle to her!
Man, it must really hurt with everyone reaching to pat themselves on the back.
I always offer my seat to people wearing hats. Unless those hats happen to be sombreros! Dirty stinking sombrero wearers!
This is it. This thread has so soured me that now I'm not even going to get up for old people. I shall merely gesture rudely in their direction!
That's what I do to everyone on the B train. Then I tell them all to kiss my ass when I get off at Columbus Circle.
Course, I'm usually drunk at the time..
Ah, but can they hear you over the projectile vomiting?
Yea, I just blend in to the background noise. Especially if the conductor is mumbling through the speaker on the loudest possible volume.
Well if you're vomiting near me then I'd gladly give up my seat to a lady. I'm a gentleman like that.
I always offer my seat to people wearing hats. Unless those hats happen to be sombreros! Dirty stinking sombrero wearers!
Sombreros ? Where ? I keeeeelllll them! I'll keeeeell them all!
Not sure why not. The only difference I can see is that there are seats available, just not very comfortable ones.
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I said I'm respectful to women... I said nothing about not continuing to ogle them.
Oh, and she was a Starfleet cadet. Slave girl? I don't think so...
Well. She'd be MY slave.
Blah blah blah, Enterprise, blah blah blah, not slaves, blah blah blah, are in fact the masters, blah blah blah, insidious plot to spread their influence, blah blah blah only person who watched it.
(I'm keeping that last part on file so I can copy/paste it every time it's needed.)
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Thank you! I'm quite traditional in many respects.
Thank you. I do it because I would like to think that if I were tired or needed to sit down (and it wasn't obvious to anyone), that someone would offer me a seat.
That's because you're hot.
I'll accept that.
But can you do the Charleston? I didn't think so.
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I try to practice politeness regardless of gender. Once I almost had my head snapped off by a woman coming into the post office as I was leaving.
"I can get my own door, you know!"
Sheesh.
Tough shit. I'm still going to be nice to people. Even assholes.
--Ted
"I can get my own door, you know!"
Sheesh.
Tough shit. I'm still going to be nice to people. Even assholes.
--Ted
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I would have probably replied with something like "I'm sorry, I just figured with that massive chip on your shoulder you might have needed some help getting it through the door."
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