Suggestion for sequel

[Feofilakt]

I am actually all for a Gorn Empire as portrayed in SFCII, so long as the Federation didn't go all Starship Troopers genocidal on them and the Gorn fired the first shot.

Alternatively a civil war between the inevitable militants in the Federation that would pop up as a result of the SNAFU in this movie and the noble stalwarts of the Federation would be really cool and a way to inject moral ambiguity into the story while allowing the series and Federation itself to be as they should.

I originally thought Gorn for the sake of having something new and exciting. But the more I think about it, the more I worry they would look silly and cartoonish, and they wouldn't fit with the 'real' feeling of the Abramsverse.

I like the 'threat from within' idea, but I just dread the inevitable arguments about violating Roddenberry's vision - if I recall correctly a lot of people went nuts when the DS9 Homefront/Paradise Lost episodes went to air.

As long as the threat from within represents exactly the perversion of the Federation that I am talking about you won't hear any complaints on my end. I would love to see an on-screen treatment of the overly militaristic elements of the Federation getting a good drumming in the last act or so, especially if they overwhelm the Federation initially.

 

[Admiral Lithium]

Despite whatever villain the sequel has, I honestly think there should be some development on the part of Kirk, specifically him getting his ass handed to him and knocked down a few notches. There is a difference between confidence and arrogance, and I think this Kirk has crossed the line, something which was not quite resolved in this film. In order for his character to develop true confidence in a noble sense, he has to be broken down by the villain in as severe a way as possible, thus allowing him and perhaps Spock to build him back up again into a better man.

So, what do you think? Agree/disagree?

I have not read through this entire thread so please forgive me if this has already been pointed out..and forgive me if this sounds insulting because its not meant to be, but I have a problem with the Kirk idea. I think it sounds too much like a Picard vehicle.

Instead I think they should allow for Kirks growth to come from OTHER crew members being out in danger due to his "cowboy diplomacy". To me, one of Kirks best personality traits was always his tendency to out his ship and crew before himself. I believe he would be more inclined to growth by the suffering of others.

As to the other Crew Members...

Scotty is perfect. The only thing we need is more. And something green to drink.

I like Karl Urbans take on McCoy, but he needs to make the character "his" and stop trying so hard to channel DeForest Kelly.

The Uhura and Spock thing could make a good plot point. Take the idea that Spock was intrigued by the affair in the beginning, and then NEEDED it during his grieving period after Vulcan was destroyed..but in the sequel I think it would make sense that we see a slight reversal of the Spock saga from the original story line. Instead of learning to embrace his Human side he should start to shun it in favor of becoming more Vulcan. This makes sense in the wake of tragedy as he realizes more and more that his race is indeed endangered. Think of the possibilities as he struggles with emotions and an end of the affair.

Sulu and Chekov simply need more developement.

I will have to think through what kind of main plot I would like to see.

 

[Bobatiel]

Here's an idea for a secondary story.

Spock wants to mate with T'Pring to propogate the species, (of course she'd be one of the 10,000) but is conflicted because of his feelings for Uhura.

Forget Bones in his skivvies!

Catfight! Claudia Black as T'Pring, vs Zoe Saldana.

 

[CommanderTrip]

I think we found our sequel!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfzuRMthMzk

at the very least it would placate disgruntled fans who want their shatner

 

[qstor]

I think it would be cool to see something with the Klingons. See what Abrams wants to do with them.

Mike

 

[skep155]

I am actually all for a Gorn Empire as portrayed in SFCII, so long as the Federation didn't go all Starship Troopers genocidal on them and the Gorn fired the first shot.

Alternatively a civil war between the inevitable militants in the Federation that would pop up as a result of the SNAFU in this movie and the noble stalwarts of the Federation would be really cool and a way to inject moral ambiguity into the story while allowing the series and Federation itself to be as they should.

I originally thought Gorn for the sake of having something new and exciting. But the more I think about it, the more I worry they would look silly and cartoonish, and they wouldn't fit with the 'real' feeling of the Abramsverse.

I like the 'threat from within' idea, but I just dread the inevitable arguments about violating Roddenberry's vision - if I recall correctly a lot of people went nuts when the DS9 Homefront/Paradise Lost episodes went to air.

Shim, the Gorn need not be identicle to the ones in the primary timeline, i think part of the idea of the new universe was to give things a little bit of an original feel. I've always thought the Gorn would look cool if they combined some features from a certain species from Mass Effect, so that they still look reptillian, but slighty different from normal Gorn:

 

[Crusher Disciple]

I'd second the call for a female baddie.

Jay- zus at the abs on Ms. Nicholls.

 

[Magickthise]

No matter what they do with the sequel, it should be called Star Trek II. And the one after that Star Trek III. I would love that, if for no other reason it would compound the canon questions.

 

[Islander]

No matter what they do with the sequel, it should be called Star Trek II. And the one after that Star Trek III. I would love that, if for no other reason it would compound the canon questions.

It would do so regardless if it is numbered II or XII. IT is likely it will NOT be numbered at all and just be called ST:Something.

I like the idea of Kirk getting is ass handed down to him, but only in a concept of a few admirals trying to push him away in a traitor/civil war scenario. This would be a fresh idea for Trek to bring a political crisis moving away for the megalomaniac super villain and/or doomsday machine.

 

[AmbassadorPointyEars]

I'd rather see conflict that is not centered around a single baddie. ST XI certainly provided a new universe with new opportunities for revisiting conflicts in a new light and providing a new landscape in light of the Vulcan situation.

 

[Stag]

What about since the timeline is jacked up, Kirk intervening as an adult in the Tarsus 4 dust up.

 

[15wss]

Maybe it's time to bring in Gary Mitchell.

NO That story was already told. If you want to see it I suggest you go buy the TOS season one DVD. Do you have any original suggestions?

Um...yeah. The new timeline changes everything and any Gary Mitchell inclusion would therefore be original.

I didn't say to tell Gary Mitchell's story. I said I'd like to see Gary Mitchell. You could use him and his friendship with Kirk to explore the burgeoning triumvirate that is the vey heart and soul of Star Trek.

I'd like the idea of exploring the friendship - which one might say is the point of Star Trek (we become friends; we're less likely to kill each other; we learn more and be better and have that optimistic future... etc.).

Coincidentally, I was watching "Where No Man Has Gone Before" this weekend. Seeing how Kirk struggled with deciding what to do with Mitchell and his new powers, while Spock tells Kirk what is the logical option (to Spock anyway) was fascinating. I liked the idea of Kirk trying to deal with who are his friends, and balancing that with his duty and his conception of what's humanity about (ideas which apparently didn't seem to occur to Mitchell, but I suppose that was the point of "Where No Man Has Gone Before"). Spock's presence was more like the new friend somehow intruding on the relationship between Kirk and his trusted old friend from the Academy.

And seeing how McCoy wasn't in this episode - if we put McCoy (a Kirk old friend) in the equation, does something change? I wouldn't think McCoy would be all that supportive about killing off Mitchell, but he'd certainly be alarmed by Mitchell's loss of empathy and I doubt that Mitchell would have been nice toward good ol' Bones as he tried to be with Kirk (at least, that was my read of the scene where Mitchell reminded Kirk about the "blonde lab technician"). In a way, I could see Spock and McCoy working together with the crew and using their collective brains to save Kirk from Mitchell.

I'd want something original for a movie sequel, but I do like how this movie was able to capture the essence of the soul of Star Trek, which I'd expect no less for the sequel.